. . . and what of the WHITE GSD? - Page 1

Forum folks, can somebody predict the fate of the "white gsd", given that the "longcoatie" had admitted in the GSD "hall of fame" by the SV? Now that the "longcoat" is finally admissible as evidence by the SV to prosecute the case of the breed standard, i guess, it's time too to take a second look at the "whities". Whities are natural beauties too, as their longcoat cousins.

Given that the whites have already been designated by the FCI as a separate breed (Suisse Shepherd), it is beyond all imagination to think the SV will waste a single second giving any consideration to them as a variety of GSD.  Their solution to their foolhardy decision to ban the langstockhär is ridiculous enough, IMO--they should have simply reversed the ban and gone back to the way things were prior: limiting the langstockhärs to KKl 2.

I agree completely, hexe. Isolating them will bottleneck that gene pool frighteningly fast, wait and see.

i have seen some that were absolutely beautiful. But the LSC can come up in breedings that adhere to SV standards. Not so the white. It must be bred for color only.


So, I guess my question is this. How can you equate LSC bred to SV standards to a color bred dog, bred to no standard except color.

And why would you even mention the SV in regards to dogs that are not bred to SV requirements.

Rik

"But the LSC can come up in breedings that adhere to SV standards. Not so the white. It must be bred for color only."

Both the LSC and white coloration can only occur if both parents are carrying the genes to produce these traits--so whites CAN occur in a litter that's not intentionally bred FOR color, just as LSC and true longcoats can occur in a litter that isn't bred specifically for coat type.  Removing the white pup from a litter of otherwise standard-colored pups does not remove the genetics for the color...so despite all appearances to the contrary, it is most definitely still possible for animals with generations of SV-correct breeding behind them to produce a white pup--the odds are low, certainly, but they aren't zero. Of course the SV would never permit a white pup to be registered, but if said litter were whelped in the US, said white pup would be registered by the AKC as a white GSD as long as both parents met the AKC's registration requirements. 

so despite all appearances to the contrary, it is most definitely still possible for animals with generations of SV-correct breeding behind them to produce a white pup--the odds are low, 


bull shi*. dispite all apperances, you have no clue what you are saying. name one.

Rik

 

Well the white GSDs in Germany must have come from somewhere!

Margaret N-J

Very true! As some of you know, the Shiloh shepherd permits both coat types. The breed founder soon found out that too many generations of breeding plush (long coat ) to plush caused the coats to deteriorate, and more pups without undercoat were being born.

Someone should have thought of this BEFORE they changed the rules!

Someone mentioned a short while back that whites have specific health issues,  is this true?   Said that is why Germany used to cull those dogs.  In some breeds, whites are albino's and DO HAVE health issues which are related to auto immune deficiency.  Is this the case for white GSD's?  The GSD's do not need any more health issues...