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i've noticed lots of postings on zidane's litters lately (siriusdog, here...) does anyone have experience on his progeny? how are the pups? does anyone know how he produces? i've also heard about zidane's ball drive being low-medium. how can this be in a dog that competed in the world team? how do you teach obedience in a low ball drive dog? kosta

you can do OB for food, try to build drive, or just make the dog do it. Ive had the opportunity to see zidane work and show a few times, while he does not have a flashy high energy OB routine, he loves to chase and play w/ a ball. he has a lot more drive than what he displays on trial day. maybe he's been shown a lot and has become "trail wise" (when a dog knows its trial day and there is no ball or correction coming). Just my 2 cents

He didn't just compete, he was a blown sit away from winning. Still he had two top ten placements. I would say that his ball drive is medium. His tracking and protection work is excellent. Pete uses a tug for rewards in obedience. There are many ways to motivate a dog other than a ball. I have seen young pups out of him. They appear to be everything you would want at that age. I saw Pete with one at the club last week, what a fireball he was. I am not sure how old the pup was, I am guessing 3 to 4 months, but he was barking at the sleeve at going for it with all his might. I don't think you could ask for anything more in a pup, confident, playfull, and motivated. I spent a week the Orginal owner of Zidane, Johnny Degens (sp?). Pete, Zidane's new handler, Johnny and I worked Zidane so there was plenty of discussion of Zidane's offspring in Europe. According to Johnny several Zidane offspring are doing awesome, including a daughter that he has.

Zidane is my dog so my opinion may not count..but his ball drive is extreme and I mean extreme...that was the first thing I had to learn when I got him watch my fingers when with ball.. he is a clever dog and he knows when you do not have a ball you cannot fool him. Marlene

i worked zidane as a handler just in a training exercise at north georgia k9 , before he was decided to be shown again, and it took me probaly 5 minutes to choke him off the ball. So as for low to medium ball drive, thats not what i experienced. He is extreme in all the drives i have seen him in, from play, ball, prey, and defense. Ray Jeffers

thank you for the answers; i guess what i've heard is a little unfounded from what i'm reading here; maybe it went along with what someone here has described as the dog becoming "wise" and showing less drive during trials. thank you.

siriusdog.com is advertising zidane's pups for 1,800.00. is that the going price for zidane's pups here in the u.s.? how old are these pups for this price? wardawg, you're talking about a 3-4 month old pup already barking and showing all his might on the field for the sleeve; how common is this in such a young pup? what are the odds of getting an 8 week old pup for competition/police and actually meeting the expectancies? is it safe to spend such a great amount of dollars in a pup that could get no further than just being a pet quality dog?

Oops, I forgot to answer the puppy question His puppies are awesome good nerves, good drives both food and ball and a full genetic grip. We have two young males for sale that on a rag can be picked up from the ground now. We have a young male from our bitch Zora we kept from last litter that Orville has seen with Pete and he is right you can't ask for more of a working puppy at his age. If you call Europe you can check the older offspring from him but from what we see now it is all good. We have had several other stud dogs here, good dogs and none has produced themselves like Zidane.

makgas, what are the odds of getting an 8 week old pup for competition/police and actually meeting the expectancies? thats a hard question to answer, it really depends on what you want, if you want to make the world team or siimply earn titles and have fun. Id say the odds of the average person taking a puppy to the world team will start at 10,000 to 1 and go down w/ experience, access to expereince trainers and helpers. the proper training can make a good dog great, and great dog awesome but not a sh*t dog good. so you raelly have to start w/ at least a good puppy. and the best place to start is w/ good parents,. so to make a short answer long, like w/ everything else you get what you pay for, a 10 week old puppy from an unproven parents may run around 500-800 while a puppy from proven parents or breedings may run $1000 and up. because there is less risk invovled.

Does zidane produce alot of bad hips? there is talk of zidane producing complete litters of bad hips,and elbows, alabamak9 maybe you can clear this up.