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Nessel von Haus Antverpa http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/42049.html We talk about titles and breeding and yet he and his pedigree are titled and proven but what about hip scores? would a breeder even concider getting a puppy that was from his lines? What would let say "the chance" of getting a puppy with good hips?

What's wrong with his hips? He is rated a6-ausland, meaning he has acceptable hips, just not x-rayed in Germany.

Nessel is dead now but I have a daughter with excellent hips from this dog her name is Uta and a proven producer as well.

With an "a"6 (Ausland) rating the chances are that he had hips that are as good or better than many dogs who receive an "a" Normal stamp. It depends on which hip certification agency gave him a passing score. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think that any hip certification agency other than the S.V. gives a passing score to hips that are the equivilent of "a"3 (noch Zugelassen) rating other than the S.V. Bob-O

I was told that Ausland A6 was servere dysplastic and when registering a dog on this site a6 is between noch zugelassen and dyplastic mild leads one to think it is a bad hip score (That is what I was thinking personally and the reason I wrote this in the first place) So educate me on this where is a6 Ausland score from? and what are the chances of fast normal hips? here in the US they would be dyplastic by OFA score.

EK.... While I wouldn't make the attempt, there have been several instances were both the dam and sire were noch zugelassen and produced mostly dogs with a normal or a fast hips. HD isn't quite that simple and in some cases, many dogs produce better hips than themselves. I wouldn't be so quick to leave Nessel out of the gene pool which he brought so many more good traits to the table. I don't know what his HD ratio was but perhaps with a little research we can find that out.

a6 Ausland simply means that the hips received a passing hip score from another country. For instance a dog that is OFA excellent, good or fair would all have a6 hips. The OFA website does say that fast normal hips are mildly dysplastic; however in most cases a dog that is fast normal will receive a passing OFA score. Bob-O, I know of dogs that have been scored a3 at one year and then OFA good at two.

Zahnburg, I agree with you on the scores by different agencies. It is aggravating that there is sometimes no consistency as far as determining the true quality of the hips B.V. to S.V. to F.C.I. to O.F.A.. I know that we say position-position-position, but sometimes we still receive different results. And at that end I digress. EK von Earnhardt, the German word Ausland means foreign. I know the "a"6 is confusing since the S.V.'s failing scores are "a"4 mittlere Dysplasie and "a"5 schwere dysplasie. I can understand if someone thinks that "a"6 is worse than "a"5. Bob-O

EX, please send me an e-mail and I will send you a comparison chart that shows how hip scores compare. Bob-O

Beware of your sources when people tell you stuff! That includes what you read on the web. Just because someone put it there does not mean that it is correct. HD-a6 is a proper passing HD a-stamp issued by the SV to dogs x-rayed outside of Germany from countries that do not have a separate SV a-stamp system, like Holland or Belgium. The only difference is that the a6 rating lumps together a1, a2 and a3, so you will not know which of these it is actually. Much like the OVC, who only awards a pass or fail. A dog will only get an HD-a6 rating if original x-rays have been submitted directly to the SV. HD-a6 does not mean that that the rating from another authority has been used or transferred to the SV. The SV does not do that. So Bob, nope to the statement that a6 hips are better than a-normal just because they were done outside the country. The a6 hips are scored by the SV directly and according to their scale. HD-a3 hips get such a bad rap, mostly from people who do not consider the stats properly, and especially from people who have actually never seen any x-rays of a3 hips. Its an ongoing discussion. EK, search the message board here for it and you will find many previous discussions on the topic. Facts are that many a-stamped dogs who get OFA'd in the US OFA much better than any of the official comparison charts floating around on the web, including the one the OFA puts out themselves. Many a2 and a3 dogs end up with OFA-Good. Something to consider. Another fact is that a poor x-ray is by no means a death sentence for a dog. Few dogs with poor x-rays are affected in a way that they are actually lame or sick or need to be put down. Many live an active life and a full life span. There are exceptions. Dogs with poor x-rays should not be bred of course even if they seem fine. When sticking with the SV a-stamp system, they are eliminated as possible breeding stock anyways. Also keep in mind where a dog is standing and thus producing its offspring. If a dog is not in Germany, not many of his offspring will be appearing in the a-stamp statistics.