When is it to much - Page 1

Hey All,

     So I am kind curious what others think of the video on CPI's site. Before I share my thoughts please know I am not intending to put cpi down, infact I know very little about the business or the owners. But when I watched this video I was a little taken back, I can understand trying to show a dogs nerve and drive but with that nerve and drive comes resposabilty on the handlers and helper part. In this video i can clearly see the dog crash not only into the crates but the wall and this happens a couple times. True theres are empty crates, but crates are still heavy plastic. Maybe I am being to nit picky but I personally love animals, although I want my dog to understand to have a high thresh-hold I would never want to injury him in the process. Just curious what others think


http://www.protectiondogs.com/elite_family_and_estate_protection_dogs.shtml


Jason Lake
"if you have the drive, we have the equipment"

No one wants their dogs injured. That being said, these guys are selling personal protection dogs.  The dogs need to see the most "real" situations that can be done in a training situation. I like the control that the handler has on the dog.

Geez.... I'd say thats a bit excessive. I mean yay for drives and all that jazz, but they are beating the dog off with crates! He doesn't seem phased by it, but come on!

I don't think that it was to much.  For the amount of money that they are probably going to charge someone for that dog.  He is obviously not one that is going to be shaken easily.  There are many that advertise that there dog's can do something like that but how many actually can.  I think that the dog actually stayed in prey drive almost the whole time.  He never seemed to get hurt and although it was challenging he was not injured.  I thought if anything was a bit rough it was him getting slammed into the wall. 

I could be wrong because I am not at all experienced in Personal Protection, all I know is what I've seen on the internet so I don't know diddly, but it looked to me that the decoy was actually pretty careful with the dog.  I mean obviously he wanted to demonstrate how the dog could be stressed and still bring it, but it looked like he knew what he was doing when he was moving and tossing those crate tops, made sure not to do anything that would actually injure that dog. 

nothing wrong in what I see . A job well done Kudos.  I recently saw a video fo a dog which was bit by a convict under arrest on the nose.  THe real dog on the street has to undergo and take a lot of shit in the real world. What is shown in the video is nothing

cheers

That was definitely NOT too much. That was a great demonstration, and an awesome dog!

Thanks for sharing!

You must be joking!  A good  dog is a good dog.  You are way off base, Rutevehaus if you think a good sport dog couldn't handle the same stressors demonstrated here, providing he was trained and conditioned the same way these dogs are.  Obviously you don't  know much about  grip sport dogs, to have reached such a conclusion. 

If the sport dog would encounter it, do you really think he could handle it as this dog in the video did? 

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out this dogs foundation was as a sport dog.  Quite a few of CPI's dogs come from FR foundation, some are FR titled, and I definitely see an "FR flavor" in the dogs work. 

All my dogs are sport dogs, and I've done similar things with all of them, they handled it.  And I don't think they are unique in the sport world, IMO this isn't unusual at all.  There are plenty of videos of "sport dogs" doing this type of work all over the WWW.

As for the work itself, I'd be careful of the wall but otherwise I didn't think it looked like to much.  The crates fall easily, and aren't that heavy, I don't really see a whole lot of difference between swinging the dog into the crates vs say cardboard boxes, or piles of those big plastic water containers, etc.