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by Mystere on 15 April 2011 - 16:04
All I can do is shake my head...and once again be thankful that I don't live in the area;
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/04/12/145194.html
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/04/12/145194.html
by Myracle on 15 April 2011 - 16:04
This is rather unsurprising.
The Iranian leadership has been on a compaign to legislate Iran back into the dark ages for quite some time.
The Iranian leadership has been on a compaign to legislate Iran back into the dark ages for quite some time.
by Bob McKown on 15 April 2011 - 17:04
I heard PETA was big over there!!!
by Mystere on 15 April 2011 - 18:04
Aaron,
You are right--it is not surprising. But, I am surprised that it is happening, now. I have a friend who has lived int he Middle East for many years (she just "escaped" from Egypt in January during the revolution), and her read on the attitude toward dogs is that it runs the same gamut as here: dog-lovers, dog-haters, and those falling in-between on the spectrum. Even she is surprised, though, by this, now. The claim that it is Western influence is fallacious. It is not as if they have not had dogs in the area all along.
You are right--it is not surprising. But, I am surprised that it is happening, now. I have a friend who has lived int he Middle East for many years (she just "escaped" from Egypt in January during the revolution), and her read on the attitude toward dogs is that it runs the same gamut as here: dog-lovers, dog-haters, and those falling in-between on the spectrum. Even she is surprised, though, by this, now. The claim that it is Western influence is fallacious. It is not as if they have not had dogs in the area all along.
by NigerDeltaMann on 15 April 2011 - 18:04
A very, very, very sensitive issue here. Iran again in d news for d odd reason.
by Mystere on 15 April 2011 - 18:04
Not an "odd" reason for dog-people. I, frankly, have very little interest in anything going on in Iran otherwise. I got over my fascination with caviar at 8, when I discovered it was just fish eggs and Adnan Khoshogi's Faberge egg collection isn't in Iran. So the only thing of interest to me would relate to dogs.
by Myracle on 15 April 2011 - 19:04
I spent two hours once, chasing a GSD around Camp Victory in Baghdad. [Yes, it did look a good deal like Keystone Kops.]
Nice show-line Black and Red [not my cup of tea, but a nice dog, nontheless].
His owner was an Egyptian gentleman who owned a contracting company that was located on the base. Nice guy, nice dog.
Then again, Egyptians and Iraqiis are Arab; Iranians are Persian, so perhaps that accounts for the difference?
Nice show-line Black and Red [not my cup of tea, but a nice dog, nontheless].
His owner was an Egyptian gentleman who owned a contracting company that was located on the base. Nice guy, nice dog.
Then again, Egyptians and Iraqiis are Arab; Iranians are Persian, so perhaps that accounts for the difference?
by Mindhunt on 15 April 2011 - 21:04
Extremism in any form is bad. I remember hearing that the Taliban shot flamingos and storks in the zoo because their legs were "uncovered" and therefore immodest. Also cut off a bear's nose because the bear's "beard" was not the required fist length from chin. Anything that cleans itself with its mouth like dogs and cats are considered unclean but dogs are allowed to guard herds and protect homes if I remember correctly. Why does it always seem those most rigid in their beliefs are most afraid of knowledge????
by beetree on 15 April 2011 - 22:04
Why does it always seem those most rigid in their beliefs are most afraid of knowledge????
I think the sad irony and answer is: The most rigid are also the most fearful of losing control. They have such little faith themselves, they need to control everything else in an attempt to keep that secret hidden. They are not confident in themselves to be naturally able to keep the power they have (by being fairly voted in), they must be able to manipulate situations, and so they fear what knowledge brings, people thinking for themselves. Not what a weak character person wants.
And that is how it starts, but the crazy ideas are fueled by no resistance from the oppressed. Eventually they begin to believe the terrorized version of life they create, and it seems some tyrants do indeed, lose touch with reality.
The Taliban also destroyed 3rd and 5th century antiquities in Afghanistan because they were Buddha's, remember that? Unchallenged sickness. It is like an invasive weed, without anyone pulling it out, it spreads and in the right conditions, spreads fast.
I don't think it fair really to judge all people of Iran by its Ayatollah's. Persia has a remarkable history, I think ancient mathematicians hail back to Persia. I believe their people are oppressed, we can't really know them at all these days. I remember a girl, a young teen who visited relatives every year in Iran, a long, long time ago. I remember her lovingly describing her stay with relatives. And I remember her sadness when it ended.
I think the sad irony and answer is: The most rigid are also the most fearful of losing control. They have such little faith themselves, they need to control everything else in an attempt to keep that secret hidden. They are not confident in themselves to be naturally able to keep the power they have (by being fairly voted in), they must be able to manipulate situations, and so they fear what knowledge brings, people thinking for themselves. Not what a weak character person wants.
And that is how it starts, but the crazy ideas are fueled by no resistance from the oppressed. Eventually they begin to believe the terrorized version of life they create, and it seems some tyrants do indeed, lose touch with reality.
The Taliban also destroyed 3rd and 5th century antiquities in Afghanistan because they were Buddha's, remember that? Unchallenged sickness. It is like an invasive weed, without anyone pulling it out, it spreads and in the right conditions, spreads fast.
I don't think it fair really to judge all people of Iran by its Ayatollah's. Persia has a remarkable history, I think ancient mathematicians hail back to Persia. I believe their people are oppressed, we can't really know them at all these days. I remember a girl, a young teen who visited relatives every year in Iran, a long, long time ago. I remember her lovingly describing her stay with relatives. And I remember her sadness when it ended.
by Mindhunt on 15 April 2011 - 23:04
Beetree, I agree, I had a friend back in college (wow giving my age away) whose family fled Iran just before Ayatollah Khomeini took power. Some of her family were trapped but later managed to escape. The tales they told of the former Iran vs. the current Iran are heart breaking. I am always amazed at how those in power MUST find others to subjugate like women and such. I won't share a couple of my whacky theories on why this is for fear of accidentally insulting any Muslims on this board.
Back to my college friends, their grandfather fled with them and he was an Imam. I was invited one day to lunch at my friend's home and then her grandfather invited me to sit with them and hear his daily lesson on the Q'uran and Iranian history, Persian history as well. He was such a well educated man and simply fascinating in his story telling. Needless to say I made it to a few lunches since I am such a knowledge-a-holic, especially about other cultures and religions. LOL
Back to my college friends, their grandfather fled with them and he was an Imam. I was invited one day to lunch at my friend's home and then her grandfather invited me to sit with them and hear his daily lesson on the Q'uran and Iranian history, Persian history as well. He was such a well educated man and simply fascinating in his story telling. Needless to say I made it to a few lunches since I am such a knowledge-a-holic, especially about other cultures and religions. LOL
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