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by shepherd girl on 01 April 2011 - 22:04
Ok here is the story...I bought a long coat german shepherd from what I thougth was a reputable breeder! Turned out at about 7-8 months she has demodex mange...the breeder suggest that this was not a problem for her breeding future....I have never in 20 yrs of breeding dogs ever had one with mange. There are many different thoughts reguarding demodex and I wanted to seek opinions from other breeders. The mange is only on her face small spots that come and go...She is 11 months old..
Thank you for any advise...
Thank you for any advise...
by crhuerta on 01 April 2011 - 23:04
It can be hormonal..and stress induced.
The dog's immunity can be down for some reason....
The dog's immunity can be down for some reason....
by Ryanhaus on 02 April 2011 - 01:04
If you are a breeder of 20 years I must say, there's a first time for everything, it doesn't make for an unreputable breeder, sounds like you are throwing the breeder under the bus before you establish the facts.
I would seek the advice of at least 3 or more vets and
describe what is going on.
I would then want to draw my own opinion based on all the facts.
But first, I would try treating it myself, It could be a very simple fix, what I would do first is put some Sulfadine on the spots, costs about 3 dollars and some change, better than a vet bill.
It's available in any pet store or Market Basket supermarket, it will cure the mange and is
good for hot spots.
Good luck,
Paula
I would seek the advice of at least 3 or more vets and
describe what is going on.
I would then want to draw my own opinion based on all the facts.
But first, I would try treating it myself, It could be a very simple fix, what I would do first is put some Sulfadine on the spots, costs about 3 dollars and some change, better than a vet bill.
It's available in any pet store or Market Basket supermarket, it will cure the mange and is
good for hot spots.
Good luck,
Paula
by Shaila on 02 April 2011 - 01:04
Demodex is very common, localized demodex is very easily treatable with oral Ivermectin. usually surfaces under times of stress (heat cycles / teething are common triggers). don't freak out. localized is not 'generalized' which would be bad.
by shepherd girl on 02 April 2011 - 01:04
Oh...I don't mean to sound as if I am throwing the breeder under the bus...I just wanted some advice from other breeders about future breeding....I have talked with 2 vets personally, one of which is my own vet which I respect very much and the breeder's vet....both have totally different views. Now with that being said one is old school and the other is younger...just not sure what the answer...I do have sulfadine and antibacterial gel both that I have used....just trying to determine if she is breedable in the future!
Thank you
Thank you
by shepherd girl on 02 April 2011 - 01:04
Thank you for your post..all of the research is so confusing....and contridictory(sp)...
by Lakewood SAR on 02 April 2011 - 02:04
Good Evening to all ; I have a boxer I took to the vet 6 weeks ago and they did a couple tests and found that Max HAD demodex mange on his sides with bad sore spots. After treatment there, I got a bottle of Ivermectin given via syringe and is on Cephalaxin for 8 weeks. Bottom line is this ; I didn't freak. I love my dog. His coat is coming back gradually , yet good. He is kinda spunky now...Ask your vet to do a skin scrape and view under the microscope.
His meds are 1.5cc ivermection daily and 2,000mg cephalaxin daily. He is almost finished though....Oh , I almost forgot , they also put him on a special shampoo twice per week....
His meds are 1.5cc ivermection daily and 2,000mg cephalaxin daily. He is almost finished though....Oh , I almost forgot , they also put him on a special shampoo twice per week....
by Bhaugh on 02 April 2011 - 16:04
I can see what you are saying. I would be questioning this as well. But I dont think that it will interfere with future breeding. The dog obviously has a lower immune system and will need some tlc to get her back on track. If she shows well (whatever your venue) and can pass all her genetic tests then I say go for it.
by Prager on 02 April 2011 - 19:04
According to Merck Veterinary Manual: Localized demodicosis is not considered hereditary unless it develops into generalized demodicosis and then evidence of hereditary predisposition for generalized disease is strong.
But not proven.
Demodex mites are everywhere and are even in your eyebrows. If the pup is stressed for ever reason then it may flair up especially if the mites are plentiful. The condition is caused by mites injecting immune suppressing chemical, which causes the immune system of the dog not to recognize the invasion and then the demodex overwhelm the system. I personally do not believe that this is not genetic same as any parasite infesting your dog is not genetic. The reason why the demodex became generalized may is caused by weak immune system which may be genetic or environmenta.
JMO.
read more here.
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/72005.htm
by Prager on 02 April 2011 - 19:04
For treatment I recommend
http://www.amazon.com/Goodwinol-Ointment/dp/B00074W3FE
where you daily rub in the creme deep into the skin ( Important) every day in to the effected and surrounded area. Problem will be getting worse before it gets better. Do not use by wets often recommended highly toxic Mitaban which is suspected to cause sterility in dogs. I have written on Demodex here (White frame with green edge.)
http://www.alpinek9.com/FAQQA.html
Probability that localised demodex is of hereditary origin is thus low to none and the vets who claim that localised demodex is hereditary should reread some text books.
JMO
Prager Hans
http://www.amazon.com/Goodwinol-Ointment/dp/B00074W3FE
where you daily rub in the creme deep into the skin ( Important) every day in to the effected and surrounded area. Problem will be getting worse before it gets better. Do not use by wets often recommended highly toxic Mitaban which is suspected to cause sterility in dogs. I have written on Demodex here (White frame with green edge.)
http://www.alpinek9.com/FAQQA.html
Probability that localised demodex is of hereditary origin is thus low to none and the vets who claim that localised demodex is hereditary should reread some text books.
JMO
Prager Hans
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