Breeder won't lift Limited registration - Page 2

You bought a dog on limited and now your upset?  Why would you buy a dog that you put all your time into and know that in your hands is a stipulation that the registration is limited? You wont know what your dog is really going to turn out to be until the dog is over 2 and is genetically tested. If I were the breeder, I wouldnt even consider something like that until the dog was xrayed and evaluated.

Remember just because she is great doesnt mean she can produce herself. Once the dog has turned two or so and she clears, then I would go back to the breeder and see what she says. I wouldnt try and go over her to AKC they wont help you. And you will make an enemy. Not worth it imo.

 "But from the perspective of a buyer, what is it that induces one to accept limited registration on a pup."

In my case, it was a complete lack of interest in breeding.

Others might accept limited because they agree with the breeder's policies-- no breeding until hip/elbow clearances, maybe; or performance titles.  

I would never buy a puppy subject to limited registration

 Was I the only one who picked up on the OP's question? The question was that why, when the breeder told them that that combo produced genetic defects, is it then ok for her to do it again and again. Basically, why the double standard and what can be done about it?  

This, to me, is just one more potential examle of the pathetic double standard surrounding LTD reg. It's ok for the breeder to do whatever they want as far as breeding untitled dogs, etc. but not for the buyer. Uh-huh. 

I wouldn't and have never bought a pup on LTD reg., and as a breeder, I would never sell to a buyer that I didn't trust 100%. These are living things- more is at stake here than your precious kennel name!

Jenn, excellent points. Ltd. registration was created by AKC to allow breeders to place dogs they deemed sub standard and still allow them to participate in AKC events but not bred.

Somewhere along the way, it has been turned into a way for the breeder to control the direction of the dog. I have no issues with this and best to those who wish to participate. As for me, there is no way in hell I am going to pay the asking price for a dog and be dictated too. Period.

It is absurd and I find it difficult to believe that people are this gullible.

I would really like to hear from someone from Europe (maybe Steve1) as to what the reaction would be if they paid the asking price for a dog and then the breeder told them what they may or may not do with the dog.

Rik

Rik, I'm not a breeder just a "buyer" and I will not buy a dog on limited registration.  For one, I show ALL of my dogs, even my working line dogs.  Two, it's my dog, and I can't say with 100% certainty that I will do this by age 2 or am not interested in breeding or showing.  Maybe I will change my mind as the dog grows.  I feel like the dog is mine in full and I have the right to make those decisions without jumping through a bunch of hoops.  That said, I don't care if breeders only sell on limited, it's their dogs they are selling, their choice.  Luckily I haven't had trouble finding breeders with dogs I was interested sell me a dog with full registration.  Also along the same lines, I'm not looking for an extensive "guarantee" either because I know a dog is a dog and every puppy is a crapshoot.  When I decide to get a dog I assume *all* responsibility for that dog.  I'm not looking to stick it to the breeder.  It seems most breeders in the US have contracts that account for genetic problems so that's all fine and good, but a good breeder breeding the dog I want without such a contract would not be a deal breaker for me either.

To the OP, no it does not make sense the breeder doesn't want your dog bred but repeats the litter, however the registration status really depends on your contract.  You can't just have it changed/reversed because of a falling out with the breeder, even if you are in the right.

 VKGSD's

Something's fishy about the original post, as several others have noticed...OP's pup is only 11 months, but he's already got 2 titles on her and thinks that should be sufficient to get the limited registration converted to full; claims the breeder won't convert it because of 'genetic defects' in the litter, but is repeating the same breeding.  Maybe the OP misunderstood the breeder's explanation of why they wouldn't convert the registration; maybe the two 'titles' the 11 month old pup has are an AKC S.T.A.R. Puppy certificate and a CGC.

Or maybe this was just a troll, considering the OP hasn't been heard from since making the initial post?

As a buyer, I would not buy on limited registration. I have paid the money for the product, (the puppy) and that puppy is now legally mine to do with as I wish. I am a responsible, adult and am perfectly capable of making decisions myself. I do not appreciate having decisions made for me by my government, much less by my dog breeder. Who make them dictator of the dog world anyway?

Now on the other hand, I do also breed a few dogs. I do that responsibly, with health/hip/elbow testing all in place. My husband is a veterinarian, I am a hospital manager and a vet tech, for both small animal and equine. We have a 27 year old reputation that holds the test of time. I offer full registration on all of the puppies I have sold. I have never had any puppies that I considered sub-standard, no temperament issues, no physical issues. All of the puppies who have been evaluated for hip/elbow health have been passing, Penn Hip, mostly. This is of course not to say that there are not those who won't pass that may not have been evaluated.  A number have gone to companion homes, spayed or neutered and won't be evaluated. In fact I find that unless I register the litter to myself, most of the puppies are never registered by their new owners at all.

I try to provide all the education that I can to new puppy purchasers. i encourage them to enlist the assistance of a trainer who is accustomed to working dogs. I have declined a sale a fair number of times, if I was uncomfortable with the potential purchaser. I have required purchasers to send their puppy to my trainer for his in house program, if they are local and I felt that the training would be the best way to fit this puppy into their household, before i will accept their money. I try to do everything possible to ensure that the new puppy and the family are going to succeed.

I do believe that human beings are capable of making intelligent decisions on their own and they do not necessarily need governments or dog breeder dictators making decisions for them.Sure there are those who will make poor decisions, abuse etc and I have no answers for them, all that I know is that i can and do make my own decisions. I have 3 perfectly beautiful, perfectly healthy GSDs that I will take care of for the rest of their lives, who did not quite make the hip grade. They are spayed/neutered and are our family pets. One was a rescue, the other 2 were puppies, (crapshoot).

I'msure breeders have reasons to only give limited registrations, I;m just not sure of the validity. Do they have no reason to think that thier puppies are going to test out ok?

It reminds me of a song... a country song..... are you goin to kiss me ..... or what.......