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by MarineMom on 09 March 2011 - 00:03
According to the Lord's own words, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
The term rapture comes from the Latin word, rapio, which means "a snatching away." The Rapture, then, is the time when the Lord comes in the clouds of glory, bodily (see Acts 1:11), to take out of this world -- also bodily -- all those who have died in Christ and who are still living as believers in the Savior. First Thessalonians 4:16-18 describes it: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them [the dead in Christ] in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Just like the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, neither is the word "Rapture", but with careful examination of the scriptures we find that both are clearly explained. Also the word "Bible" is not to be found in the "Bible" but we all know that it's the "Bible" !
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
The term rapture comes from the Latin word, rapio, which means "a snatching away." The Rapture, then, is the time when the Lord comes in the clouds of glory, bodily (see Acts 1:11), to take out of this world -- also bodily -- all those who have died in Christ and who are still living as believers in the Savior. First Thessalonians 4:16-18 describes it: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them [the dead in Christ] in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Just like the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, neither is the word "Rapture", but with careful examination of the scriptures we find that both are clearly explained. Also the word "Bible" is not to be found in the "Bible" but we all know that it's the "Bible" !
by MarineMom on 09 March 2011 - 00:03
In 1 Corinthians, Chapter 15, the Apostle Paul teaches us about the sureness of the resurrection of every believer from the dead . He also teaches us that our bodies will be changed, transformed into a wonderful, eternal and immortal body. Paul declares that our new bodies will " bear the image of the heavenly," (verse 49) and in verse 50 he explains why we need new bodies , "I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable." So what will these bodies be like?
Well the Lord Jesus himself is our example, the resurrected Lord Jesus could appear and disappear at will (Luke 24:31; John 20:19). He could move through solid walls (John 20:19,26). He could be seen and felt (Matthew 28:9; Luke 24:36-42). He could eat food, though it apparently wasn't necessary (Luke 24:41-43). Though glorified, Jesus could be recognized (Luke 24:30-31). Our resurrected bodies will no longer experience death, aging, crying mourning, sorrow, or pain (Revelation 21:4). I don't know about you but I can't wait for my new body. So does this mean that we all will have to die first before we get our resurrected body?
Right in the middle of Paul's teaching on the resurrection he says, "Listen", let me show you a mystery. He went on to say:
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory." "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?" The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 15:51-57)
That mystery is the "Rapture", so now it's not a mystery any longer. We call it the Rapture because rapio means "a snatching away," in the Latin. Lets examine 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 very carefully that we can receive the full extent or impact. First, ...we will not all sleep, (Die, Pass Away), but we will ALL be changed, (ALL Believer's, not some) ...in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye (suddenly, violently), ...the dead (Believer's who have already passed away) ...will be raised (Resurrected) imperishable (Eternal, Indestructible), and we will be changed (Receive our new Heavenly bodies). For the perishable (Earth dwellers, Humans) must clothe itself with imperishable (Eternal, Indestructible).
Well the Lord Jesus himself is our example, the resurrected Lord Jesus could appear and disappear at will (Luke 24:31; John 20:19). He could move through solid walls (John 20:19,26). He could be seen and felt (Matthew 28:9; Luke 24:36-42). He could eat food, though it apparently wasn't necessary (Luke 24:41-43). Though glorified, Jesus could be recognized (Luke 24:30-31). Our resurrected bodies will no longer experience death, aging, crying mourning, sorrow, or pain (Revelation 21:4). I don't know about you but I can't wait for my new body. So does this mean that we all will have to die first before we get our resurrected body?
Right in the middle of Paul's teaching on the resurrection he says, "Listen", let me show you a mystery. He went on to say:
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory." "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?" The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 15:51-57)
That mystery is the "Rapture", so now it's not a mystery any longer. We call it the Rapture because rapio means "a snatching away," in the Latin. Lets examine 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 very carefully that we can receive the full extent or impact. First, ...we will not all sleep, (Die, Pass Away), but we will ALL be changed, (ALL Believer's, not some) ...in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye (suddenly, violently), ...the dead (Believer's who have already passed away) ...will be raised (Resurrected) imperishable (Eternal, Indestructible), and we will be changed (Receive our new Heavenly bodies). For the perishable (Earth dwellers, Humans) must clothe itself with imperishable (Eternal, Indestructible).
by Red Sable on 09 March 2011 - 00:03
Hi Marine mom, thanks. Honestly, when I read all those scriptures I see the second coming, not a rapture.
God also says in the end days many will turn away, why if they are raptured? I can see it if there is no rapture and they must endure the reign of the Anti Christ that they would become disheartened especially if they are expecting Jesus to save them from the suffering. BTW, are we talking about two different things? Personally I believe we will be here till Jesus comes, THAN God will pour out his wrath on the rest of non believers. That of course we do not have to endure.
Everything I read is Jesus telling us to hold fast, stay strong, endure till He comes again.
God also says in the end days many will turn away, why if they are raptured? I can see it if there is no rapture and they must endure the reign of the Anti Christ that they would become disheartened especially if they are expecting Jesus to save them from the suffering. BTW, are we talking about two different things? Personally I believe we will be here till Jesus comes, THAN God will pour out his wrath on the rest of non believers. That of course we do not have to endure.
Everything I read is Jesus telling us to hold fast, stay strong, endure till He comes again.
by MarineMom on 09 March 2011 - 00:03
Red Sable see in this paragraph where it reads...I will underscore and bold
According to the Lord's own words, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
The Rapture comes first the catching away or the mystery,
The dead in Christ shall rise first, ( to be dead means to be asleep in Christ )
Right in the middle of Paul's teaching on the resurrection he says, "Listen", let me show you a mystery.
He went on to say:
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true:
Jesus returns at the end of the 7 years reign.
According to the Lord's own words, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
The Rapture comes first the catching away or the mystery,
The dead in Christ shall rise first, ( to be dead means to be asleep in Christ )
Right in the middle of Paul's teaching on the resurrection he says, "Listen", let me show you a mystery.
He went on to say:
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true:
Jesus returns at the end of the 7 years reign.
by desert dog on 09 March 2011 - 01:03
Note Jesus was in the clouds at the rapture, When He comes back at the end of tribulation he will set his feet on the mount of olives. In Isreal and read Revelation and see who comes with him. These are 2 seperate events.
Hank
Hank
by yellowrose of Texas on 09 March 2011 - 01:03
http://www.biblestudygames.com/biblestudies/raptureofthechurch.htm
HERE ARE THE SAME SCRIPTURES TALKED ABOUT IN ANOTHER CONATATION AND WHY IT IS SO HARD TO BRING ALL TO BELIEVE THE SAME..
READ THIS LINK ]
YR
SECOND COMING....RAPTURE IS A QUESTIONABLE WORD FOR SURE....
HERE ARE THE SAME SCRIPTURES TALKED ABOUT IN ANOTHER CONATATION AND WHY IT IS SO HARD TO BRING ALL TO BELIEVE THE SAME..
READ THIS LINK ]
YR
SECOND COMING....RAPTURE IS A QUESTIONABLE WORD FOR SURE....
by GSDguy08 on 09 March 2011 - 02:03
I'm not even going to attempt to read or answer anything tonight lol. I'm so tired and I've been getting really bad headaches, so I'll try to respond to this post.....and the other two posts again in the morning if I have the time. Same to your comment on the other post Yellowrose about the ark. Anyway, good night everyone.
by Ruger1 on 09 March 2011 - 02:03
IMO ...Without a doubt the best Bible Theologian of our time...
Teaching on premillenniaism..postmillennialism..and amillennialism....aka the coming of Christ...
Enjoy....: )
by BabyEagle4U on 09 March 2011 - 03:03
This is gonna sound crazy prolly but might as well say it. LOL
I'm one of those Esoteric Protest-ant's .. mainly because I was so bored being grounded all the time as a kid, I had to go somewhere productive. My dad did like me playing with the boys. LMAO I love you dad.
Seriously though, energy is an asolute life form .. so there are Spirits by default. We really shouldn't piss them off, although it might be too late. LMAO
Time will tell I recken ...
I'm one of those Esoteric Protest-ant's .. mainly because I was so bored being grounded all the time as a kid, I had to go somewhere productive. My dad did like me playing with the boys. LMAO I love you dad.
Seriously though, energy is an asolute life form .. so there are Spirits by default. We really shouldn't piss them off, although it might be too late. LMAO
Time will tell I recken ...
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