How do you train the Out?

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by Don Corleone on 08 March 2011 - 18:03

by Mystere on 09 March 2011 - 20:03

From puppyhood. Out means to let go of the toy they have and I give them another. The dogs learn as puppies that they are not going to lose anything by outting. I was not as conscientious about it with the bitch I am currently working and the difference is apparent.

by SchaeferhundSchH on 11 March 2011 - 16:03

toy becomes dead and no fun until they out, when they do the game begins again.

just like the Ivan Balabanov method.

by StephanieJ on 11 March 2011 - 20:03

"toy becomes dead and no fun until they out, when they do the game begins again."

So what do you do with a dog who doesn't need you to make the toy fun?

by Prager on 12 March 2011 - 01:03

You hold the toy in the hand and are not moving it. You are supporting pup's jaw with the other hand and do not pull on the toy at all. You can also do it with flirt pole. As soon as the pup lets go you say "YES" and play again. Do it only for short periods of time while the pup's interest is before the peak . Quit when he wants to play the most.
Prager Hans

by Don Corleone on 12 March 2011 - 03:03

Hans, I think I understand what you are saying, but the way it reads, I'm a little confused. Are you saying that the pup is on the flirt pole and you mark the behavior of the dog merely letting go of the rag, or do you give the out command?

by kaoboy on 12 March 2011 - 05:03

i think the easiest way to train out for a puppy, is always have 2 or more toys with you when training.
if he outs, then drop the toy that he outed, and bring the other toy (live) then when playing grab the other toy without him noticing.

or even treats. tell him to out. when he outs give him a treat or a peice of food, then bring the toy live again.
it only took my guy 1 week to learn it. sometimes hell out or just want to tug with you.

just be a pole dont move and when you see him almost outing or thinkin about it. pull it out quickly and go from there...

plus its a bonding experience and a understanding for the dog and its hanlder.

hope this helps

-Nic

by Prager on 12 March 2011 - 08:03

Don, yes you say "out" . The toy should be first on a flirt pole and later you eliminate the pole and just have the toy in your hand. Later on you yourself use sleeve instead of the toy and then you put the sleeve on a decoy.
Prager Hans

by kaoboy on 13 March 2011 - 05:03

hi,

for a sleeve. a sleeve should never be used between a handler and a dog.
sleeves should be used for a helper only.. a huge tug would do fine!!! thats it..

but if im wrong sorry. but if the handler uses sleeves it confuses the dog for whom to bight during a trial.

or i have another solution..

play with your dog with a tug. if the dog just wants to tug.. cradle the dog.(bend over and slow and gently put your arm over the dogs neck and just long strokes down his chest, and he is about to drop the tug, say OUT)
its about timing for this. but its first stages for a puppy.

hope this helps
-Nic

by Prager on 13 March 2011 - 08:03

You say:
but if im wrong sorry. but if the handler uses sleeves it confuses the dog for whom to bight during a trial.
No dog can be as dumb as you say they are. ( Sorry no disrespect to you intended.)
It is perfectly safe, proper, and prudent for the handler to train the dog with a sleeve on his arm as far as it is done in prey drive. It had been done and it is done all the time.
Prager Hans

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