Breeding a dog from a litter of dysplastic pups,. Your views on this. - Page 3

"No information on if the littermate is dysplastic or what that dog's rating is."

The littermate bitch being bred is a1 per the SV.  I agree with Jenni, Gustav and 4pack that there would be no or next to no breeding if breeders used the presence of a dysplastic littermate as a disqualifier to condemn any breeding of the others.  

It's unfortunate that the OP ended up with a dysplastic pup, but the remedies for that should be in the purchase contract and not in insinuating the breeder is doing something wrong by breeding the passing littermate.

Fellhoffer's post hit the nail on the head. His answer is most correct. That's the way it's done.

If I undestand the point, the OFA has an opinion for breeders.

The OFA does not suggest that all dogs from two parents that have produced one offspring with CHD should not be bred.

Any pair of dogs can produce one or a few pups with CHD.

I think the OFA even uses 75% or better offspring with normal hips as the guide.

Most people do not submit X-ray to OFA, so the percentage of offspring with CHD as recorded by OFA is meaningless.

Practically speaking, only the first two OFA suggestions to breeders are meaningful. They are breed normal to normal, and look for background of ancestors.  Percent sibings with CHD is not useful and is not knowable.

 High Desert, check into the zw system. How can you say "percent siblings wtih CHD is not useful and is not knowable"???? Yikes. That's scary to think people just breed normal to normal and call it a day. 

So Felloffher and Ron Hudson would you breed a dog knowing that it produces dysplastic pups? Would you buy a dog knowing that it produces dysplastic pups and then sell them to unsuspected buyers?  That dog was sold to someone else to be breed again.  Both of you are saying that it is ok to breed a dog knowing this.  What is the logic in this kind of breeding ethics.  This kind of  breeding is not making this breed stonger it is making it weaker .  It is all about the money and who has top dog . What do you do with the dysplastic pups that are born? do you cull them? do you sell them?  I am not saying  not to breed dogs but people should look further into the back grounds of these dogs before they are bred. 

 KATS, you are not understanding what we're saying. No dog produces 100% perfect nor 100% dysplastic pups. Period. 

You have to qualify your statement- how MANY dysplastic pups, ie what percentage? Again, I'll harp on the zw system that gives a good prediction as to how likely a dog is to produce dysplasia. You have to get this idea out of your head that you just don't breed a dog who produced a dysplastic pup. It takes 2 dogs to produce pups. 

Is the dog you're talking about NOT SV A1 RATED??? KATS, please enlighten us if you're talking about a different dog. Also, tell us how many pups out of the TOTAL number of pups produced have been dysplastic.

Kat,

 If I had a breeding pair with good hips and they produced kick ass dogs, but 10-20% of the pups were born with HD, yes I would continue to breed them. If it was obvious a pup had HD at 8 weeks old they wouldn't leave my kennel, if they were sold and it was discovered later, the dog would be replaced.

 If you find a kennel that breeds quality working dogs and 0 HD let me know, because I haven't found one yet.

KATS, why are you laying all the blame for having produced a dysplastic pup on the mother of the litter?  I'm not trying to be rude, but based on your statements and questions in this thread, it's clear that you really don't understand the genetic roulette involved in the heritability of hip dysplasia, nor do you recognize that it's entirely possible for one particular pairing of sire X and dam Y to be disastrous, while the pairing of that same sire to dam Z, or that same dam to sire A, can produce litter after litter of perfectly sound puppies.  One of the differences between a good breeder and a bad one is the ability to recognize 'toxic' combinations of bloodlines and avoid such pairings...and it takes a great deal of time to educate oneself in that area.

If a particular bitch was clear of HD herself, but produced   *several* dysplastic pups in every litter she whelped despite each litter being sired by different dogs from different lineages, then yes, I would say that said bitch should be removed from the whelping box.  Ditto for the stud dog that produces *several* dysplastic pups in every litter even though the bitches vary in bloodlines.  But to suggest that the production of a single dysplastic pup should automatically eliminate a dog or bitch from being used as breeding stock is simply unrealistic and unreasonable. 

If, however, a litter is whelped in which more than half of the pups are found to be dysplastic, then I would say that it is irresponsible to *repeat* that particular sire and dam pairing, and it would be wise for the owner of each to avoid other mates of similar breeding as well.  Ultimately, you have to recognize that there's no such thing as a perfect dog that will produce nothing but flawless offspring--and you may have to decide which issue you'd rather risk: for example, is it better to produce a litter where all the pups have good hips, but half of them will end up with exocrine pancreatic insufficiency, or better to produce a litter without any EPI but with some dysplastic pups?  Personally, I'd rather risk the dysplasia than the EPI, thopgh of course I'd *really* prefer to not have either issue...but there are others who would rather risk some EPI if they can have an entire litter of perfect hips. 

In short, ideally I'd rather see far, far fewer dogs being bred, period.  That way there'd be far, far fewer dogs ending up in shelters and rescues through no fault of their own.