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by KATS on 05 March 2011 - 15:03

I have a female from the same litter and she severyly dysplastic and the breeder is breeding this dog.  I think that this is so wrong when we should be helping the breed not making it worse.

by Nans gsd on 05 March 2011 - 17:03

NO;  not a good idea not to mention very unethical and a true detrement to the breed.

nonacona60

by nonacona60 on 05 March 2011 - 17:03

Unfortunately that is how some people do things.....How many pups from the litter were actually diagnosed as having HD?  Just one isn't good, but just curious as to how many.......How many puppies were in the litter...?

You can only do your part and be responsible, and do the responsible thing.......JMO

Bhaugh

by Bhaugh on 05 March 2011 - 17:03

Although its not a good sign that your dog is dysplastic, you didn't mention if the breeder had the littermate hips done or how many siblings of the same litter failed to certify. Lots of variables that were not posted.

Why is it that a person who puts two dogs together is called a breeder? Other than the obvious, a byb is not a breeder by any stretch and should not even be considered in the same category. I think that people who do this really should be given a different title. Because good reputable breeders dint need to be lumped in with byb's.

Barb


animules

by animules on 05 March 2011 - 17:03

The dog being bred is severly displastic? or your dog which is a litter mate is?  It sounds like your dog is?   A friend of mine only breeds a1 ratings.  Once in a blue moon a pup out of a litter will be displastic.  Should she never breed the parents and limit all the others of the same breedings?  I would not think so.  If the trend is many or most displastic, than yes, don't breed those.  If there's been a exception and one is, than that should not result in no more breedings.
 

There is not near enough information given to make any determination here.
 

by sjbo659 on 05 March 2011 - 18:03

My opinion is a person who is breeding to a know dysplastic dog is in it for money only and could care less about the breed as a whole. Before I do a breeding I not only check out both sides of my dogs pedigrees but I also check litter mates and other off spring to my dogs parents that are not of the same litter. The Bouvier data base is awesome so it makes researching our dogs very interesting and its easy to use. Don't know about GSD's owners today but most of the Bouvier people are very aware of the genetic problems and most of them keep good records in the database. It takes a lot of research and time but in the end I have healthier puppies. Of course you can not always count on mother nature to play fair and no matter how hard we try, unforseen things can happen. On avergae I spend over a thousand dollars per dog I own on health tests. Of course Alaska is high compared to other parts of the country as far as vets go.

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 05 March 2011 - 18:03

 Wait, slow down................calm down everyone. Let's get the real info.

Your dog is severely dysplastic. I'm sorry; that's terrible. 

What is the status of the dog being bred? How about other full siblings and littermates? How about grandparents and great-grandparents? Going back 4 generations, how many abnormal hip ratings are there?

Not blaming you for your dog's hips, BUT- there are many things that can influence hips. To say without knowing how many dogs were dysplastic in that litter or other litters, that someone is unethical is a bit of a stretch.

Can you post your dogs' xrays? Who ruled your dog dysplastic? Your vet? OFA? SV? Does it walk funny?

SO MANY VARIABLES- not enough info. 

by KATS on 05 March 2011 - 19:03

Sorry, it is my female that is severely dysplastic and so was another pup out of this litter  and it doesn't mater how many,  they shouldn't breed any dog out of a litter of dysplastic pups..  X-ray were sent to OFA (Server Dysplasia)  She was diagnosis at 5  months of age by a vet,   I am not saying all breeders are doing this sort of thing, but yes there are breeders out there only in it for the money.  We all know that!!

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 05 March 2011 - 19:03

 Well, yes, we do all know that which is why I was curious about your point. 
 
My son is napping, I have nothing better to do, so I did a little looking into what dogs you could be talking about via your profile. I see you have left comments pertaining to other dogs, as well. I didn't see anything that would make me think this breeder was unethical BASED ON WHAT I COULD FIND REGARDING HIP XRAYS. All had appropriate certs, and actually were better than average in some areas. 

"A litter of dysplastic pups" is different than "a dysplastic pup out of a litter". Do you see what I'm saying?

Would I breed a dog w/dysplastic siblings? Hmm, it would depend. More than one dog w/dysplasia in that litter...probably not. Do I think this person is deserving of being called "unethical" and essentially money-hungry though due to our difference of opinion? Probably not. Genes are funny things. 

GSDNewbie

by GSDNewbie on 05 March 2011 - 20:03

I euthed one of my females at 14 months old for severe epi/ severe Dysplaysia  in both left hip and left elbow and later found out three of the five litter mates all were same issues. I know my pups was excersized properly and was on an excellent diet and was working with a vet long term for her issues. This litter was not bred from trash but rather good lines. It happened and the dam even died whelping them and just nothing went right.


Untill this can all be discussed without people jumping into defense mode and until they can look at it objectivly and collect data from the good the bad and the ugly without lies or hiding anything our dogs health and breeding cannot benefit from our today's technology. People need to get over the attitudes and the money if they really want to strengthen the breed.





 


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