Ethic's - Page 1

There are a lot of reference's in some of these threads about people coming to breeders trying to find ways to sue people for various reasons becuase a dog either did not turn out the way they expected or some other reason. Most breeders will guarantee their dogs for things shuch as hip eye and elbows. I know I will. But in todays world things are not like they were even 20 years ago. People now will sue over anything and everything. Its not uncommon for someone to try and get their money back even when there is no problem at all. I know an instance where a person bought a puppy that was jet Black. But by the time it was 2 had turned to a dark grey Brindle and he sued the breeder and won. I think its important to realize there are two sides to every argument. That is where a breeders job becomes even more important then just having puppies several times a year. All the care in the world can be given, proper research etc and there is always going to be the chance of something creeping up no one expects. Thats why I would demand to see xrays if someone came back to me and wanted a refund becuase of a genetic problem. I would never just take someones word of it. Once the puppy leaves my care I have no control over what the buyer does or does not do. I do not know if they are putting a puppy out there jumping as soon as its big enough or doing other things not recommended for a large breed dog. We all know an injury can sometimes appear to be Genetic when its not and was caused by someone being stupid. Why should we pay for anothers dumb mistakes.

If a breeder contract states that all information given about the lines of the dog are true and you can proove they are false and therefore you did not have the right search criteria to guide you away from chooseing a puppy from that breeder then I say punish them for lieing.

If a breeder has told the truth and either something that the stars could not have fortold happens or you know just luck of the draw happens then it is on the dog owner and is experience for the road to being a dog person.

     Either can happen and the results be the same issues. The difference is the basic facts given before you chose to buy that pup IMO. I have had to put down one gsd and was lied to about the dog but got it sight unseen and I took the lesson should have done better homework and took nothing against the breeder shame on me. I had another gsd that is still with me and I love her dearly however she did not mature as well as I had hoped even though she was a hefty price and bought as pick of litter show prospect... it was nature not the breeder's fault. Crap happens suck it up keep going.

      Someone contacted me about an issue. Her dog has major joint issues and she was lied to about OFA certs and even has a contract which is also being ignored by the breeder. A breeder contract is as only as good as the honor in the breeder. Some breeders need help to learn honor and how to conduct themselves. I say that is the one to sue.

Newbee, we are saying the same thing. If a person is lied to about ofa results then that is on the breeder and he should honor his contract or be made to honor it. If the breeder has been honest and the buyer is just trying to get out of the deal and or get their money back with false accusations then lets go to war. But it boils down to ethical practices to begin with, proper research and then hope the person you sell to is an honorable person as well. I always tell a potential buyer to check with other breeders too before they decide on who they buy from. I will even give them the names of local breeders as well to save them the hassel of looking them up. One thing is certain my dogs will stack up against the competetors any day of the week. But a buyer will have these puppies for many years and I would rather them buy else where and be happy then buy one of mine and wonder what if?

 Sjbo, I do require that I approve xrays even prior to them being submitted to either SV or OFA. There are too many instances of bad positioning, vets misdiagnosing, etc. for me to say "sure, here's a free puppy or a refund." Not only that, but I've even heard of dogs being PTS based on a vet telling the owner the dog would lead a miserable life, only to find that the dog had normal or near-normal hips.


Hips are just one example, of course, but not only should we "not pay for another's dumb mistakes" but my real concern is for the dog. Why should the DOG pay for someone's dumb mistakes? For this reason, I try to word my contract in such a way that nothing negative should ever need to happen to the dog for either myself or the buyer to come to a reasonable agreement. I think some of what breeders are now reaping is not only just a societal lack of responsibility, but also payback for all the greedy breeders out there who don't care about the dogs and don't have any ethics. Buyers figure they have it coming to them to get a free puppy and screw the breeder. 

IMO, and so far, IME, if you have a good relationship w/your buyers and pick people who genuinely put the dog first, you shouldn't have too many problems. Of course, for a larger breeder w/puppies to sell often, that's harder than it is for someone like me who only has one or two litters per year. But in theory, I think I'm right. Be fairer in your contract, DO YOUR HOMEWORK ON YOUR BUYER, and make yourself approachable and accessible for any and all problems w/the dog, and you may be surprised how well things go. 

I think some people just like to complain. Maybe decide after after they purchased a dog, they just want their moneys back.

I have a pup now that was bought by a person from a breeder, and after 2 weeks decided they want their money back plus the shipping costs. This pup is concidered an Albino Bichon Frise so I was told. Anyhows, the person who bought the dog decided to return the dog wanting all moneys paid for said dog back. The dog was sold for 500.00 plus 250.00 shipping. 750.00 total.

The breeder put an ad in the Merchandiser requesting financial help to get this pup back, I answered the ad. Got the scoop, now I have the pup. I paid the 750.00 cash to the purchaser after driving myself to go get this pup. When I got there, paid the money .. she went and got me the pup.

This puppy at the time was 13 weeks old, totally matted, face all pasted with dirt, the hair on the eyes was so stinky I thought for sure it would has a serious infection under it, how this puppy could go poo is beyond me, it had poo pasted all over the rear to the point of not being able to poo at all.

This buyer clearly didn't take care of this puppy at all and tried to blame the breeder for breeding crap. It all went in one ear and out the other while dipshit was talking to me. I just wanted to pay the money and get this pup cleaned up and vet'd. I knew what was said was BS because I met the breeder before the trip and the 4 pups that were left from this litter.

Here is the pup after vet'd and cleaned up. The breeder ended up telling me to keep the dog because I shaved her face, revet'd with vaccines and ruined her. Breeder said she was going to sue me. So here's my 750.00 albino. lol People are just aholes nowadays.