FC I Ruling - Page 1

This is for those who may be affected by this coming change of Rule
One of the New rules being bought in by the FCI  once accepted is
on the Schutzund field
A dog may only bark when he is in Guard Mode
so only in these situations

INSIDE THE BLIND
AFTER THE ESCAPE
AFTER THE BACK TRANSPORT
AFTER THE LONG ATTACK

Should the Dog bark for instance when it is recalled to heel after  guarding the Blind, he will be deducted points for barking
Now i do not know if this will affect you Guys in other countries but it will over here in Europe. and perhaps you Guys already know about this coming rule but i thought i would bring it up
Steve1

This is not a new rule. This is the way it's always been.

Great topic, thanks Steve1 !!  For me personally, this kind of topic is the best use of the message board, so we can understand the rules and also training topics.  So you rock Steve1 !!

I think the way it is now,  the dog should  not be "restless" once commanded to return to heel  position?  (called out of the blind in the hold & bark for example).   So perhaps some judges have not been too firm about this, perhaps not taken any points at all for a dog who barks continuously even once the exercise is finished?  So maybe they are now going to be enforcing this rule a little more?  Sometimes this happens, judges decide they must pay a little more attention and enforce things they might not have been paying as much attention to previously?

Either way it's all about control, control, control, no?

Steve1 Wrocs!!!!!

When Izzy was getting her BH, the judge look to
see if she would behave  impartiality (or correct behavior) .
It is strange indeed but when dog is on the clock it will show
different behavior than at home. My bitches will only bark when
they should in a trial situation but at home they can bark at anything.
It is their breeding not something I trained into them. This what
the FCI judge looks at.

If this is not a New Rule then why was i told by the Govening body over here in Belgium that is soon to be a new rule should have been bought in Jan but has not been accepted yet but it will be
Up todate if a Dog has Barked at heel  after coming out of the Blind it had been  guarding it was NOT deducted Points, That is over here in Belgium but they will be as said.
Perhaps where you are the Rules are different or the Judges interpret  them differently
Steve1

added on afterwards

I have just had a quick look at the FCI rules, I can see no where where it says that a Dog will be deducted points if it Barks in any than the siruations i have said in my posts
Mr Smith' if you know where this Rule is please let me know where to look then if you are correct i can go back and ask the Govening Bodies concerned if they know that  they are inplementing a rule which is already there

Steve1,

Judges do interpret differently, so it has to be written in
such a way that you don't lose points because of judge error.
A good example is when a very good dog loses points
for barking to close to the helper face. How close is Too Close?
To me I like to see the dog nose to nose to the helper
but another judge would deduct points.

The first post is when a Dog  should bark, As to the position of the Dog and how it is acting in those cases then it is up to the judge to decide if he will or will not deduct any points
 However it is when a Dog Barks when it is not in the phases above, then it will be deducted points as in the sit position and then barking after being recalled to heel by the handler.
I am going on what i have been officially told, and since my last post i have contacted two Judges and Yes, it is correct what i have been told however time will tell what is right,
Personally quite a few older Dogs will need to be retrained a bit,
As for me my 20 month old at the moment  she does not bark in the recalled position eager to get at the helper but not barking, However the young Pup Gina does which i guess is natural thing for a Puppy but i will be working towards slowing her down whist she is young
Steve1

I think the thing most interesting and important thing to me about this  is that it is another example of the emphisis being on our ability to control our dogs not only in the ob phase but  the secondary obedience in protection so it's not a bad thing, no?  Does anyone see any possible complications from this?  Can a "call off" exercize be in the cards for our sport in the near future?