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by dmontg on 10 February 2011 - 23:02
by ggturner on 10 February 2011 - 23:02
by yellowrose of Texas on 10 February 2011 - 23:02
Most all breeders state in contract non refundable deposit. You cannot take a pup out of market for everyone that pays and suddenly all change their mind or move or have some reason , no matter what.\
A responsible BUYER should have all this planned way before they PAY A DEPOSIT> ads for marketing a litter are very expensive..SO you have all deposits taken ..paid the bills for advertising and akc registration and then all of a sudden maybe 3 or 2 or 4 change their minds and want the deposit back..
Dog breeding is expensive if done correctly and when you take the money you receive and you have pups for sale and are honest, breeders cannot keep giving back money , making new ads, and then waiting and spending time with each buyer which sometimes is 3 hours . THE breeder has no other pay for her ./ his time or efforts or advertising but from the deposits to HOLD a pup just for YOU>
Now someone will say...If you cannot afford to pay bills without the Deposit you should not be breeding.
I think this is the mind of someone who does not run or own a business. Most breeders want to stay in the BLACK not red. I do not loan money. I want whatever I spend to have a way of recovery if it is not for MY PLEASURE or benefit. A puppy for sale , is for sale. YOU must think safely or wisely how to market the pups you do not want to own. Millionaires do not get to be millionaires by giving away time and goods.
Even though marketing a litter of pups will make no one a millionaire, I used it as an example of using good sound business practices when selling a litter or a garden full of watermelons you planted the seed and raised and harvested the melons.
If pups are dead, or not born , or are sick and cannot be released to the buyer when paid in full on day agreed on, THEN and only at the breeders descretion , should a deposit be refunded.
I have never had a sick litter so I have no idea how people handle that. I never take a deposit until I know we have healthy real puppies.
Too many people have no idea how costly raising a litter of healthy, quality german shepherd dogs is.
This is not a LOTTO nor is it a Gambling casino ..it is real live dogs being sold and your word with a contract is that you WANT A PUPPY HELD< taking it out of the MARKET POOL>>>no longer available.
NON refundable deposits are non refundable deposits.. DO NOT MAKE A DEPOSIT if you are not planned and ready for a pup and can afford it. IF you have problems or think your life may change do not make that step..GO to a rescue and ADOPT a pup. OR buy one when it is ready to go home.
YR
by dmontg on 11 February 2011 - 02:02
The dog is not I repeat not pregnant nor is she in heat. So you tell me what cost is it, when the only conversations that they had was on Facebook. There is no contract either. According to the breeder she hates contracts so it was only her word that my daughter would get a spring baby. And now Ms Yellowrose, how can she sell a puppy if there isn't one. There is no cost to be on facebook, so you tell me what cost has this breeder incurred. And if you would have read the post, it says French Bulldogs not German Shepards. IF you had read the post, there is no puppy being taking off the market or being held, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO PUPPIES!!!
by Niesia on 11 February 2011 - 04:02
In my opinion, good breeder wouldn’t keep the deposit made for the puppy from the “future litter” that hasn’t been conceived yet. I usually don’t take deposits anyway, until ultrasound confirms the pregnancy and the number of puppies. I have only a “waiting list” and I call about the confirmed pregnancy in the order of received inquiries to see, if people are still interested, and if they are wishing to reserve their puppy by signing written agreement and placing the deposit. Sometimes, person who put the deposit down on the puppy, for various reasons, don’t find what they were looking for and in case of “show” and “sport” quality pups, we both agree, whether I keep the deposit and they’ll look at the next litter or they take the deposit back. In case of “pet” quality, person loses the deposit if they don’t want the puppy. If you are looking for a pet and don’t want to risk your deposit, you can always wait and see if there are any pups left and look at them before you commit to buying them.
So I think the breeder in question should give the deposit back to your daughter.
Yellowrose of Texas,
I don’t think that the breeder incurred any cost related to the breeding that hasn’t yet occurred, so she shouldn’t use this excuse and return the money. Yes, breeding right is very expensive. Six months ago I did a very expensive AI that didn’t take – but it is only my loss and I cannot make anybody pay for it…
by Kimmelot on 11 February 2011 - 06:02
Deposits are Non-refundable.. Its a PROMISE from the BUYER to the SELLER that your going to buy something and you get first dibs.. Your not paying more for this privlege, you are paying towards something, and saying your going to buy something , then pulling out because of timing is not the breeders fault . There will be puppies, its your choice not to buy one. You could always KEEP the deposit and Ask for a puppy when the timing is better.. thats what Non Refundable deposits are for.
by dmontg on 11 February 2011 - 14:02
by Kimmelot on 11 February 2011 - 17:02
Whisper Gray
by Red Sable on 11 February 2011 - 17:02
Anyone can breed dogs. We also know all breeders can breed dud dogs no matter how hard they try to avoid it, so, the quality of breeder comes to play when they act as decent, honest human beings.
That is what makes a GOOD breeder.
by dmontg on 11 February 2011 - 17:02
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