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by LaPorte on 16 June 2006 - 13:06
I posted this elsewhere, and on second thought, realized it's probably better as a new thread.
How about if we all put our heads together and discuss procedures that the various organizations - USA, WDA, DVG, SV, AKC, etc etc (ANY dogsport or breeding organization, basically) - have for handling problems. This can be about registration/papers, unsportsmanlike conduct, cheating at a trial - PROBLEMS. I would assume that most of these organizations have boards of inquiry, but I would also assume that they have rules about how to bring things to their attention. Sometimes people get away with things simply because no one knows the path to get things addressed in a way that counts. If you know and post the procedures for any of these organizations, and there is a link that people can save for reference, please list it.
I think the majority of people in this sport are hoping that we can start to clean it up. Educating people about official ways to deal with problems is one small step in the right direction.
by VHDOOSEK9 on 16 June 2006 - 16:06
Been there done that. And we're talking all the way back to the 80's starting with a local GSDCA breed club. As long as Organizations have people running it that have motives that are not in the best interest of the GSD and Memberships as a whole....forget it!
There will always be the clics and there will always be the little guy in the trenches being the fall guy.
The dog world is a small world and everybody knows everybody or has a problem with everybody because of there own shortcomings. There are good people out there and will always be a great asset to the GSD and the organizations, but there are a lot of bad apples out there too. I found in my 30yrs of being involved in the dog world with ADRK, SV, DVG, USA, AKC, and USCA it all comes down to Egoes, backstabbing, and money.
No organization is immune to it. But they need to clean house first before we can really depend on official ways of dealing with problems, especially with the problem of NO DUE PROCESS when someone is accused of something.
Just my 1 1/2 cents worth.
by LaPorte on 16 June 2006 - 21:06
I strongly disagree.
USA has over 4000 members. Yes, 4000. Are they all bad apples? NO! Do they all pay their dues? YES. So why do we see people getting away with terrible behaviors?
I think it's largely a lack of education on what to do AND a lack of unity from the membership on opposing things that are out of line.
There is strength in numbers. If USA, WDA, DVG - and all those others - are hearing from their paying members - flooded with PRESSURE from their paying members, they will listen.
Sure, alot of this stuff IS about $$ (even tho it shouldn't be), but do the math...In the case of USA, 4000+ members, each paying dues, plus scorebooks, trial and show entries, puppy registrations, and so on...that is alot of power that the membership should have, if money is power.
I think if the members take responsibility to stand up for what is acceptable and what isn't, then we will finally start getting somewhere. If everyone has your attitude - of it being a lost cause because it has always been that way in the past - then we will be stuck dealing with abusive people in public positions for a looooooooooooooooooong time...
Check out the USA bylaws on their site. There is a section on discipline that everyone should read.
by VHDOOSEK9 on 16 June 2006 - 23:06
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all laws are useless if you are only going to have selective enforcement.
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Those that want to file with BOI etc. know exactly what to do , it's no mystery.
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You can't even get local clubs to work together
<<<,Are they all bad apples>>>
Absolutely NOT! You have bad apples and then you have those that would rather not say anything and agree with the majority than speak what they beleive in and stand by those beliefs even if it means they don't win the popularity contest.
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Again... the numbers have to be there and speak their mind not just pay a yearly due and read the bi-monthly magazine.
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Again! you gotta get them of their butts and actually do something.
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An attitude I wouldn't have if more people would have balls enough to stand up to the ones doing the abusing.
Trust me a lot of things I have said and done has ruffled some feathers. I am very loyal to USA and to the GSD and if I piss people off I don't care because I don't scrape a living off of the dogs. I have a Job. So if there is a backlash from my actions for speaking up for the regular member or for what's best for the German Shepherd dog in the future it does not affect me, because I do not depend on KKL so I can Breed$$$, to register puppies so I can Sell$$, to title dogs for clients$$$, and everything else involved with dogs to pay my mortgage.
by LaPorte on 16 June 2006 - 23:06
I have to agree...just trying to get some change going!
by VHDOOSEK9 on 17 June 2006 - 00:06
I wish it was that easy. All we can do is keep trying :)
by LaPorte on 17 June 2006 - 06:06
[[[If everyone has your attitude - of it being a lost cause because it has always been that way in the past]]]
An attitude I wouldn't have if more people would have balls enough to stand up to the ones doing the abusing
Helllllloooooooo....Wake up people!!!!
by wardawg on 17 June 2006 - 08:06
The people that deal with the problems are the ones that are elected. If you want problems dealt with differently elect different officals. There is a process in place to handle this, the annual election.
Thumping your chest, and taking on a battle cry of "Wake up" is not going to do any good, unless you find candidates that think like you do, and deligates from clubs that will vote them in.
If you can't find others that support your concerns then that would indicate that the majority of the member agrees with those that are currently elected.
The powere of the National clubs comes from the Deligates of the local clubs. In other words it is the leaders of the local clubs that control the National clubs. If you want to make a change you must work it from that angle, or your efforts are nothing more than crying into the wind.
Personally, I don't make anything of dog sport myself, and I am satisfied with the current leadership. These people are the ones willing to step forward and do the work. You would have your job cut out for you to convince some one like myself to go against the status quo. I'm not saying that I wouldn't be opened minded to a candidate with a different position, but I wouldn't make a change based on "through out the Rascals" policy. It would have to be more concrete than that. I believe the membership as a whole is statisfied with the current leadership.
by LaPorte on 17 June 2006 - 09:06
Actually I wasn't talking about the current leadership at all, as I actually like them! I think you misunderstood my post. This all came about because of an obscene tirade that someone posted right after announcing that he has been approved for affiliate club status with USA.
My point being, I don't know anyone who would condone this behavior, but if no one speaks up, chances are that the leadership may not even realize when things like this go on. Someone has to tell them. They can't be everywhere at once...
What happened the other night was uncalled for and made USA and Schutzhund in general look terrible.
People complain about things that go on at club levels, trials, shows, and in places such as this. We need to speak out and let the leadership of these organizations know what is going on.
Hope that cleared up my post. If you check back into the "I'm sorry..." thread, you'll see some of where it's coming from. The ORIGINAL, obscene thread, has thankfully been removed.
by zdog on 17 June 2006 - 13:06
actually, the things that happen on here rather frequently remind me of nothing more than some 5 year olds at daycare fighting with each other. It leaves no lasting impression on me, or dictates the direction I take in this sport.
If people want to make themselves look like children and throw insults and then try and "prove" which one of them has the best reasons for throwing insults around, that's their business. I'm not their mommy.
I think the GSD world and bite sport world in general has much bigger issues to worry about rather than grownups acting like children.
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