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by nonacona60 on 31 January 2011 - 12:01
I am not posting any links to a pedigree..No name of dog, breeder or owner is being mentioned....PLEASE lets keep it that way...Lets not make this a breeder, owner or dog bashing thread....Lets keep it about pigment ONLY.....The purpose of this thread is for learning the different types of pigment and what is accpetable or not..... All opinions welcome....
by Keith Grossman on 31 January 2011 - 12:01
This dog was probably darker when younger. Looks like it has the color paling gene.
by Nellie on 31 January 2011 - 12:01
Defo a colour pailing gene, me personaly i like to stay away from colour pailers
by Ibrahim on 31 January 2011 - 13:01
Nona,
In my opinion this is most probably not a fault in the color strength, this is a missing outer coat, outer coat on the back is lacking to a great extent.
A friend of mine had similar problem with his bitch where the vet's opinion was same I said and dog was given vitamines including (what we call here fish pill) which most probably is Salamon oil pill for 4 months after which the outer coat showed with a jet beautiful black color. I could be wrong. Good luck.
If I may add: The dog looks old but has lovely anatomy.
Good luck
Ibrahim
In my opinion this is most probably not a fault in the color strength, this is a missing outer coat, outer coat on the back is lacking to a great extent.
A friend of mine had similar problem with his bitch where the vet's opinion was same I said and dog was given vitamines including (what we call here fish pill) which most probably is Salamon oil pill for 4 months after which the outer coat showed with a jet beautiful black color. I could be wrong. Good luck.
If I may add: The dog looks old but has lovely anatomy.
Good luck
Ibrahim
by NigerDeltaMann on 31 January 2011 - 14:01
Hi everyone, I think Ibrahim's absolutely correct. A closer look suggests to me some missing outer or top coat. I'm presently expiriencing what looks like the same scenario. My female came on heat and after mating, there appeared on her back(on the same area as the subject bitch), rashes which resulted in bruises and loose of hair on those areas. Now, she's ok and i presume she'll appear "patched-up" in pigmentation/discoloured when she finally blossom, since hair in those areas will grow later than in other areas.
by VKGSDs on 31 January 2011 - 14:01
I don't know anything about genetics but it seems that often the better the color (red), the worse the pigment (black). I don't like American show lines but in general the ones I see have much better pigment, much more black coverage, better masks even though they tend to be more tan/cream than red in color. I personally don't like such lack of pigment, whether it's genetic or poor coat or both or neither.
by eichenluft on 31 January 2011 - 14:01
This dog looks fine in pigment to me (red) but has a fading saddle - poss. fading mask though wouldn't be able to tell without seeing how much mask he had when he was younger. I also prefer a dark-black saddle and mask and would be passing over a dog with fading saddle or faded pigment of any kind.
by NigerDeltaMann on 31 January 2011 - 14:01
(as a follow-up). . . look at those areas, you'll notice quite "more coloure new coat", suggesting late or newer coat, as compared with the rest of the body. However, discoloured, that bitch's just wonderfully beautiful and correct.
by VKGSDs on 31 January 2011 - 14:01
How does everyone define pigment and color? My understanding was that pigment referred to black parts like the "leather" (nose), mask, saddle, and color refered to the red parts (or other color - cream, tan, whatever).
by vfg on 31 January 2011 - 15:01
In relation to pigment you have to look eyes and nails. My guess (only a guess) is that this dog has no problem
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