Scorebooks question - Page 1

For those of you who compete in both USA and WDA trials how do you manage your scorebooks. I have my boy's BH under a SV Judge in my USA scorebook but may go for his SchH 1 at a WDA trial. How does this work? http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/410114.html Thanks, Melanie

Bottom line: USA does NOT recognize ANY degree or title achieved at a WDA event. In my opinion that is silly, but it is the fact. The USA will recognize a DVG title, but be sure to check with both organizations to make sure you know what you must do to get the scorebook itself "certified" and accepted.

Isn't that a hoot -- when i cam a cross that fact years ago -- it taught me more about organizations and people / human nature -- to bad the GSD is on a lower level in life - IMO as a living being -- they are so much more truthful and noble than are we

"USA does NOT recognize ANY degree or title achieved at a WDA event." ****************************************************** Simply put: neither organization recognizes the other's SCOREBOOKS. Furthermore, neither USA or the WDA will recognize titles from judges licensed ONLY by their opposing organizations. Actually, USA will recognize ALL titles--even at WDA events--so long as the titles are awarded by SV judges--AND recorded in USA scorebooks. Solution: have the SV judge sign in your dog's USA scorebook (as well as a WDA scorebook if your dog has one). This has presented no problems for my dogs. However, you must realize that USA has no recorded "proof of title" (even if recorded by an SV judge at a WDA trial in a USA scorebook) from WDA trials UNLESS you send (by certified mail, of course) to the USA office your dog's USA scorebook to record these titles in the dog's "individual" record at USA. Again, this procedure has always worked with my dogs. Call Kelly Hope at the USA office if you have any questions. If your dog has won A title (with an SV judge) at a USA event and you want to go for an advanced title at a WDA trial, you must also provide similar data to the WDA office. A piece of cake?! Another word of advice: both respective offices will need to record a breed survey (again, with SV judges) achieved at the other club's event. Scenario: your dog's breed survey with a WDA club is sent to the SV and remains in Augsburg for months. In the meantime, should you show your dog at a USA Sieger Show, your dog may be denied a VA rating due to lack of documentation. You must provide "a" stamp proof to both respective organizations to qualify for each other's breed surveys. I know for fact that WDA will accept the "a" stamp (even if obtained through USA's "a" stamp program) on a dog's 4-generation AKC certified pedigree--IF you provide WDA with the dog's officially stamped pedigree. Fortunately, both uSA and WDA accept OFA certications. Many DVG clubs are "dual clubs" (both DVG and USA). As for titles from DVG clubs, it's best to be sure that the DVG club has secured an SV trial judge. While USA will accept a title from a DVG licensed judge to a dog to "advance" to another title at a USA trial. However, a title with a DVG-only-licensed judge does not qualify a dog for a breed survey at a USA club. I suggest that you repeat such a title with an SV (or even, a USA judge) before going for a breed survey at a USA club. BTW, if you have any doubt regarding the accuracy of my remarks regarding USA's policies as they pertain to DVG judges, USA's own DOJ, Mark Przybylski, has verified (to me) all of this in WRITING. Louise

hodie, A word of friendly advice offered to avoid possible conflicts and confusion... Because your USA club is hosting a breed show (and survey) later this month, be sure that owners of all entrants (in the WORKING classes and the BS) have submitted to the USA office documented "proof" of all titles AND breed surveys that have been awarded at WDA events. As you know, "s**t happens"! Louise

Thank you!!

Hello Louise, I believe it is not my responsibility to ensure that entrants have submitted anything to USA. All I can do is assure that the required and proper paperwork is submitted to us and then, if there are issues, USA will have to work it out. The bottom line is you are correct about S**T happening. It is very sad that these two organizations can not get their acts together enough to make it easier for people to participate in trials and shows to actually promote the same (wouldn't that be a novel idea?). In the end, it is just this short-sighted viewpoint that they have on the other organization that hurts all of us.