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by dwblb on 05 June 2010 - 10:06
I have seen the footage of the GSD's at the Manchester Championship Show which was used in the PDE programme and the movement of the dogs filmed isn't anything to be proud of. However, Jemima Harrison and the Kennel Club should look at a clip I found on You-Tube of GSD's being filmed in February 2010 in a clip called "German Shepherd Judging at 2010 Westminster Kennel Club".
This clip shows how the movement of the extreme "English" shape is no better. One dog actually crosses its back legs behind one another at one point. And it is never right to have a dog standing with half its back leg flat on the ground.
I'm sorry I don't know how to import the clip into this message but maybe someone else can do it for everyone to see.
These clips show the worst of both extremes but there are dogs in the show ring that have excellent movement and I would put our dogs in that category. I would love Jemima Harrison to come for an early morning walk on the dunes with me so she can experience what a "show" GSD is capable of when there are rabbits to chase. Or maybe she would like to come to one of the agility lessons where my "show" GSD is more than holding her own against the collies.
Louise.
This clip shows how the movement of the extreme "English" shape is no better. One dog actually crosses its back legs behind one another at one point. And it is never right to have a dog standing with half its back leg flat on the ground.
I'm sorry I don't know how to import the clip into this message but maybe someone else can do it for everyone to see.
These clips show the worst of both extremes but there are dogs in the show ring that have excellent movement and I would put our dogs in that category. I would love Jemima Harrison to come for an early morning walk on the dunes with me so she can experience what a "show" GSD is capable of when there are rabbits to chase. Or maybe she would like to come to one of the agility lessons where my "show" GSD is more than holding her own against the collies.
Louise.
by GSDtravels on 05 June 2010 - 12:06
If you post the links, I'll be happy to embed them for you.
by dwblb on 05 June 2010 - 16:06
GSD Travels
Is this what you need? www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z14VlsQMfU
If not, you'll have to point me in the right direction!
Louise.
Is this what you need? www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z14VlsQMfU
If not, you'll have to point me in the right direction!
Louise.
by GSDtravels on 05 June 2010 - 19:06
That link says the video is no longer available. I'll search from your description and see if I can find it. I'll let you know if I can't.
by GSDtravels on 05 June 2010 - 19:06
I hope this is the right one!
by dwblb on 05 June 2010 - 20:06
GSD Travels,
Yes, that is the one, thank you for posting it for me.
If you watch until the dogs are going up and down, you will see one dog's legs cross behind and when one dog stands its back leg is half on the ground. They all seem to be paddling round the ring.
Louise.
Yes, that is the one, thank you for posting it for me.
If you watch until the dogs are going up and down, you will see one dog's legs cross behind and when one dog stands its back leg is half on the ground. They all seem to be paddling round the ring.
Louise.
by GSDtravels on 05 June 2010 - 20:06
Yes, once I embedded it, I watched it. I did see plenty of hock on the floor and the one with the crossed legs.
by Mark3 on 05 June 2010 - 21:06
Jemima Harrison already commented on the dogs at Westminster way back in one of the papers or magazines, I can’t remember which. It was something along the lines that they were a disgrace.
I didn’t know they showed the "English" dogs at Westminster, I thought it was the AM lines.
As for weak hocks, pointing out the unacceptable in one does not make the unacceptable acceptable in another. Can we not just move on? A thread along the lines as to what can be done to improve hocks would be a lot more constructive for the breed and the public perception of breed people IMO.
I didn’t know they showed the "English" dogs at Westminster, I thought it was the AM lines.
As for weak hocks, pointing out the unacceptable in one does not make the unacceptable acceptable in another. Can we not just move on? A thread along the lines as to what can be done to improve hocks would be a lot more constructive for the breed and the public perception of breed people IMO.
by GSDSRULE on 05 June 2010 - 22:06
What can be done? Breeders, stop breeding these hock walkers. That's it.
I have seen a person say, "oh the neck carriage is a fault, but I know what I need to win." Thereby proving my point that show breeders don't give a shit about the breed, they just want to WIN .
Yeah, some don't, blah blah, blah.
How about someone that xays elbows, finds a problem, then breeds anyway. Isn't the point of testing to eliminate faults?
Why bother to test at all? Why is that^^^ behavior from a well known "SHOW" breeder ok dokey, but God forbid someone breeds their nicely conformed, good tempered bitch without testing? Horrors, it's a backyard breeder, ruining the breed.
I know who I think is ruining the breed.
I have seen a person say, "oh the neck carriage is a fault, but I know what I need to win." Thereby proving my point that show breeders don't give a shit about the breed, they just want to WIN .
Yeah, some don't, blah blah, blah.
How about someone that xays elbows, finds a problem, then breeds anyway. Isn't the point of testing to eliminate faults?
Why bother to test at all? Why is that^^^ behavior from a well known "SHOW" breeder ok dokey, but God forbid someone breeds their nicely conformed, good tempered bitch without testing? Horrors, it's a backyard breeder, ruining the breed.
I know who I think is ruining the breed.
by windwalker18 on 06 June 2010 - 00:06
what too many don't recognize is that as you increase the length of the stifle bone (between knee and hock) you need increased tendon and muscle strength to support it and keep it from wobbling all over the place. Think of a Suspencion bridge without propper support. Same thing. Because folks can see the length in the stifle, and the increased angulation it's easiest to say that is the problem, while it's at least equally the support system. As you say a weak hock. I owned a bitch eons ago who was uber extreme. She could stretch out so that her belly touched the ground without her hock wobbling, but that is exception. (she unfortunately had a crappy front shoulder so couldn't move properly and didn't make it in the show ring). So there's two choices, for breeders to completly avoid extreme angles, or to learn more about the conditioning of muscles and such to support it.
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