Your thoughts on teaching the out in protection - Page 1

What are your thoughts on teaching the out in protection in a young dog?
What are your thoughts on outing an advanced dog (used to out) that will not out?

Hi Bhall,

I have always taught the out to young dogs using the 2 ball game to begin with and then transfering over to the sleeve. Most dogs understand and are just as consistant with the out on the sleeve as they were on the ball. They learn that the faster they spit the first ball out, the faster the second ball gets thrown basically making you into a ball hurling macine. Most find the game great fun. LOL The correction on a young dog is just not throwing the second ball until the first is dropped.

My 2.5 year old male was taught in this fashion and has a lightning fast out. On the occasion he gets dirty ( rarely) he wears a prong collar with a small training tab attatched. The collar is rotated down so the tab is between front legs. If he does not out on the bite the decoy will take his right hand under the sleeve where the dog can not see and correct downwards.

This works well for us. I am sure everyone has a method that works well for them. I would be interested in what others share as well.

Melissa

That is about the same way I do it. 
Now, what if the pinch does not work anymore and the dog just becomes stronger and stronger.....?

We have also used the tab under the chin but if the dog won,t out or gets dirty on the sleeve you can use the tab to pull the dog into the sleeve which in most instances causes opposition reflex and helps the dog out. The helper must keep the sleeve on and apply pressure into the dog as the tab is pulled into the helper.

 You  can use a second helper ,  once he outs he gets another bite from a different decoy, similar to the 2 ball game but now 2 bite game. Another thing you can do is with the prong collar run the long line under the helper between his legs. Let the third person give the correction into the bite not away. Once he outs he gets another bite. Both of these worked for me, good luck.

We have also run a line under the decoy. Your decoy must trust you on this one :)

Melissa

while I have done all above, the best way would be to take it off the protection field...IMNSHO:-) Start with the food bowl....then a tug....then the sleeve...without the helper! OUT is OUT...period!

What are your thoughts on outing an advanced dog (used to out) that will not out?

You need to fiqure out why he stopped outing....or was he ever really outing? I've dealt with dogs that would out in training....but competition was another thing....because all the training aids were gone!

I've never had a problem.  However, my new male Grec (IPO3) is a very strong dog. 
He does GREAT on a sleeve (Schutzhund Routine).  he always outs.
Put the same dog on a hidden sleeve or bitesuit and he changes from a great sport dog to a "I'm gonna kill this guy".  He has a hard time outing during real K9 work.  His whole attitude changes when we do hidden sleeve etc. 
Like I said when we did Schutzhund he worked like a charm always outs and very obedient.
Real situations seem to pump him up tremendously.

ha ha.....real work brings out the man in him:-) Could you post some video? Is he used to electric? I am not a fan of electric for the out but do understand the need. Seems it takes from the grip...from my experience.