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by beetree on 09 December 2010 - 16:12
Keith, I found your comment on how dogs perceive time differently interesting so I found this and thought I would share. Here is an excerpt and a link for anyone else that is intrigued: www.psychologytoday.com/blog/my-puppy-my-self/200907/pavlov-pauli-what-can-dogs-tell-us-about-the-nature-time-consciousness-
"...Dogs have a very strong sense of cyclical time, which makes sense because it would be advantageous for predators to have this ability. However, it's equally clear that dogs don't have a sense of linear time. That seems to be a construct of more developed type of brain. In fact, I think the ability to use reason -- to see cause and effect, to put two-and-two together, etc. -- is dependent on 3 cognitive abilities: 1) the use of language, 2) a sense of oneself as being separate from one's environment, and 3) a clear sense of linear time. When studied in their natural state, dogs show no signs of possessing any of these abilities, so they can't have "reasons" for their behaviors, which means we have to examine their unique form of consciousness (or dognition, if you will) in terms of emotion not reason, and desire not intent. ..."
"...Dogs have a very strong sense of cyclical time, which makes sense because it would be advantageous for predators to have this ability. However, it's equally clear that dogs don't have a sense of linear time. That seems to be a construct of more developed type of brain. In fact, I think the ability to use reason -- to see cause and effect, to put two-and-two together, etc. -- is dependent on 3 cognitive abilities: 1) the use of language, 2) a sense of oneself as being separate from one's environment, and 3) a clear sense of linear time. When studied in their natural state, dogs show no signs of possessing any of these abilities, so they can't have "reasons" for their behaviors, which means we have to examine their unique form of consciousness (or dognition, if you will) in terms of emotion not reason, and desire not intent. ..."
by JWALKER on 09 December 2010 - 16:12
I think that dogs just like humans have the ability to use some sort of muscle memory. If the same thing is done over and over enough times it will become muscle memory.
by Red Sable on 09 December 2010 - 18:12
My last shepherd knew exactly what time the bus dropped off the kids and was out there to meet them every day.
by JWALKER on 09 December 2010 - 18:12
I think that at the end of the day there are some dogs out there that without a doubt they learn routines, schedules, and habits. I think that it is fun to watch.
by RLHAR on 09 December 2010 - 18:12
Red Sable,
A sweet idea certainly but do you not think it's more likely your dog heard the bus long before human ears would pick up the sound and connected this distinctive sound to the arrival of the kids and thus moved out to meet them each day?
A sweet idea certainly but do you not think it's more likely your dog heard the bus long before human ears would pick up the sound and connected this distinctive sound to the arrival of the kids and thus moved out to meet them each day?
by JWALKER on 09 December 2010 - 18:12
Good point RLAHR. I think that is probably more reasonable.
by Don Corleone on 09 December 2010 - 18:12
Red Sable, I was thinking the same thing. My neighbor told me he always knows when I'm coming home. The dogs start barking and going nuts.
by beetree on 09 December 2010 - 18:12
My dog goes to the front door every day and barks once to be let out to the front porch because he knows the bus is going to come. He usually does this about half an hour before the bus actually arrives.
This link explains the internal biological clock, or "... circadian oscillators -- daily fluctuations of hormones, body temperature and neural activity -- to know when food is likely to hit the bowl or when owners are likely to return from work. Instead of remembering how much time passes between meals or what time meals are given, dogs react to a biological state they reach at a particular time of day. And they react the same way at the same time every day to this stimulus."
animals.howstuffworks.com/pets/dogs-perceive-time1.htm
This link explains the internal biological clock, or "... circadian oscillators -- daily fluctuations of hormones, body temperature and neural activity -- to know when food is likely to hit the bowl or when owners are likely to return from work. Instead of remembering how much time passes between meals or what time meals are given, dogs react to a biological state they reach at a particular time of day. And they react the same way at the same time every day to this stimulus."
animals.howstuffworks.com/pets/dogs-perceive-time1.htm
by beetree on 09 December 2010 - 18:12
I also think dogs can tell different engines or cars apart from one another by there sound or smell, but I then think that is a different skill.
by Jenni78 on 09 December 2010 - 19:12
Then how do you explain them knowing when you're coming home in an unfamiliar car?
I totally agree and acknowledge that they have excellent hearing and can tell vehicle sounds and discern familiar engine sounds...but what about when you pull up in a rental car and they act like it's any other day?
I totally agree and acknowledge that they have excellent hearing and can tell vehicle sounds and discern familiar engine sounds...but what about when you pull up in a rental car and they act like it's any other day?
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