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 who is or are the best most reputable honest breeders /kennels in germany.
and how do i get a hold of them.

My personal opinion & based on several successful deals done by myself & other Egyptian fellow citizens, Messrs .Von Athaba kennels owned & directed by Mr. Thorsten Helmer  is one of the most trust worthy & excellent kennels / breeders in Germany. To know all about the kennel's contacts, the quality of dogs they have etc..., please read the following information :-

German Shepherd Dogs
'von Athaba'

breeder:
Thorsten Helmer
Alter Postweg 95
D-32049 Herford
Germany

mobil| 0049 (0)172 - 1 67 93 97
internet| www.athaba.de
e-Mail| mail@athaba.de

Kennel Athaba since 1999

Believe me they are first rate & the best choice. I can assure to you that with Von Athaba you are in good hands. I have done a recent deal with them recently which I will announce about in this section very soon.

If you need any further clarification, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Regards

Tarek Allam

 Are you looking for a show quality or a working dog?
What do you want to use the dog for?

As per what I know, the majority , almost all of the German well established breeders are honest enough to trust them not to take your money and then vanish.
In regards to the quality of the dog that depends on both you and the breeder, meaning you have to state clearly what type of dog you're looking for plus your needs etc, ask questions and make sure you get back satisfying answers not vague ones.
I understand that some breeders do not keep all their dogs at their place or kennel, they keep some with friends, in such a case make sure the breeder gives you correct uptodate information about the dog.
Knowing your requirements maybe I can provide you some names I made transactions with or know about enough to trust them with my money.

Ibrahim

Very wise answer Ibrahim & I agree with you entirely. However as regards to the honesty of the breeders I have if you do not mind a little comment. I have experience with 4 German breeders (show line) & me comments were as follows:-

- Von Athaba Kennel- Excellent in all & every aspect i.e. good prices, prompt replies to your questions, sending dogs in fixed timing without delays, very excellent quality dogs & finally sending papers in due course & also very good after sale services.

- Von Georga Kennel- The owners of this kennel namely Frank & Manuela Borowski have good quality dogs, however they are thieves they steal your money and they do not send dogs & / or they send no pedigrees.

- Sunnylands Kennel- The owner send me the puppy which was a very nice female on time, however she did not send me the pedigree which she claimed that she sent, however she could not prove this with any documentary evidence. I had to pay further money to SV to get a fresh & new copy of the pedigree.

- I have also dealt with a fourth kennel which I will not mention their name herein, as the breeder sent me a defected dog i.e. bad hips, however after lengthy negotiations & discussions he agreed to send me half of the amount he received from me.

Therefore & owing to the above reasons I herein recommended Von Athaba Kennels for Jordin, since I know that he is concerned about honesty of the breeder & surely he is also concerned about the quality of the dogs he will receive.

Regards

Tarek

 Yes Tarek I do understand your point of view and respect your own experience with the German breeders and the bad situations you were put in sometime, however good Von Athaba are and I second what you said about them totally and I may buy from them in the right time but the fact remains that there are other honest breeders in Germany, having a bad incident with one, two or ten breeders does not make all of them that way, Germany has many breeders and most of them are to be trusted in regards not to stealing one's money. Now in regards to dog quality there is more to be said per each breeder.

By the way our previous two posts were posted at the same time, lol.

Ibrahim

Ibrahim;

In you first reply you said the majority of German breeders are good.

In my reply to your first post, I said at the beginning I agree with you entirely.

By the way I recently purchased a nice female from Messrs. Von Athaba, I will send you pictures & pedigree to know your valuable opinion which as usual I appreciate very much.

Also I think that I will need a detailed critique by our professional mutual friend DebiSue.

Regards

Tarek

 Yes Tarek I would love to see her pictures and pedigree, I remember I saw a young female ad from Athaba few weeks ago, I think a long hair breathtaking puppy of excellent pigment, if she's the girl then you got yourself a top show prospect.

Yes DebiSue can make an intelligent critique, she has an eye that misses no detail however small that detail might be and above all she is honest about what she sees in front of her.

Ibrahim

No Ibrahim the subjected one is a pretty young lady of 16 months old. she is also a top show prospect as the long haired one you sighted. I am sure you will like her a lot as I do. By the way if you decide one day to get a Von Athaba male & / or female you will never blame yourself for taking such a decision.

Regards

Tarek

 I am waiting to see this female, don't take your time, I am already anxious to see her.

Ibrahim

Sure I will, I am currently preparing some good pictures which I will display recently on this board for yours & other members professional remarks.

Regards

Tarek