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by Renofan2 on 28 November 2010 - 23:11
New Pictures taken this weekend.
by Red Sable on 29 November 2010 - 00:11
Great pics!
by Renofan2 on 29 November 2010 - 01:11
Thanks Red Sable. I am having alot of fun working her. Things are progressing nicely. She is my first working line, so have to learn how to keep up with her, lol...
Cheryl
Cheryl
by frankm205 on 29 November 2010 - 01:11
Nice!
by Renofan2 on 29 November 2010 - 19:11
Forgot to attach my favorite one!
by Guppyfry on 30 November 2010 - 02:11
Very nice!!! I bet she has a very strong and full bite, with a very deep and powerful bark!!
Plus, she sure looks like she is enjoying herself!
I think you made an excellent choice for a breeder for your first working line.
Plus, she sure looks like she is enjoying herself!
I think you made an excellent choice for a breeder for your first working line.
by Onyxgirl on 30 November 2010 - 03:11
She is looking great...love her smile;) Karlo gives her two paws up!!
by Renofan2 on 30 November 2010 - 19:11
Here is a video taken this weekend as well. I think she is coming along nicely and am really happy with her work so far.
And she says thank you back to her big brother Karlo.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqCd1OyD-7E
Cheryl
And she says thank you back to her big brother Karlo.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqCd1OyD-7E
Cheryl
by Ibrahim on 30 November 2010 - 19:11
Wow, what a focus and serious expression in the third picture !! In the extra picture I think the helper has very very strong nerves to stand his grounds, what if the dog misses and bites the helper elsewhere?
Ibrahim
Ibrahim
by GSDfan on 30 November 2010 - 21:11
I figured I'd jump in and answer Ibrahim.... "what if the dog misses and bites the helper elsewhere?"
She is in the early stages of foundation training for Schutzhund...which is aimed at building prey drive and targeting on equipment. She is on a line except for the back up bites...where she's had enough pillow work to target correctly.
Initially her attention was more focused on the helper (she would bark at him and not follow the pillow when it was tossed) and she did not want to bring the pillow back to him.... but as they move along with training (carrying & holding the pillow, bringing it back to the helper for more tugging) her attention is shifting to the prey object and she is now more interested in bringing the pillow back to the helper. This will build her confidence and make her aggression very forward.
Whether I was trianing her for a civil venue or just SchH, I personally would do the same thing with foundation to build confidence and teach her to bite and "spar" without stress if time permits. I have trained dogs for police work where I did not do this foundation grip work this extent, but that was more because of time constraints (only had 640 hrs to reach certification)...hobby trained SchH dogs have all the time in the world to progress. With the police dogs, the people "in charge" also wanted to see civil aggression asap, so the most I let them do initially was "posess" (keep to themselves/hold for several moments) the prey object (not carry and hold while the handler cradles them).
I wouldn't want this young 11mo old pup to see the helper as a real threat right now (real threat creates stress, stress creates aviodance)...it would be counterproductive to building confidence. There is always time for that later when she is more mature and solid in her work. It is important in SchH to target the sleeve and target correctly (mid forearm).... that the dog is quiet on the bite (noise indicates the dog is stressed), bites firmly (soft or chompy bite can be an indication of stress) and STAYS on the bite (comming off the bite is stress induced avoidance)....this work is the foundation for that grip and confidence on the bite later.
Those video's of your dog you posted a while back (think that was you, correct me if I'm wrong) with the less than commendable helper work you wanted opinions on.... Your dog showed good aggression and did fairly well for all the stress the decoy created or didn't do anything to quell. This here is more like how I would have suggested you start your dog. In those video's you had posted he would come off the sleeve and go back to you because he lacked forwardness and confidence, comming back to you was avoidance created by too much stress...if you built confidence and forwardness first, you could have moved on to more civil work later if that is what you wanted, and it would have been a much smoother transition and much easier on the dog.
So to answer the question "what if the dog misses and bites the helper elsewhere?" She won't miss. All the work thus far has been teaching the dog to target the prey object (the pillow). If she was pressured with aggitation and put in defense (which I certainly wouldn't do at this stage)...she would probably bite IMO...but because she isn't very far along and not mature enough yet.... it probably wouldn't be a very convincing bite...and she would likely go into aviodance and come off. She could learn to stay on and bite and eventually develop confidence this way with repitition, but I wouldn't want to put that stress on the dog especially a pup....and if the dog does not learn to work in prey she will probably always work with some degree of stress.
She is in the early stages of foundation training for Schutzhund...which is aimed at building prey drive and targeting on equipment. She is on a line except for the back up bites...where she's had enough pillow work to target correctly.
Initially her attention was more focused on the helper (she would bark at him and not follow the pillow when it was tossed) and she did not want to bring the pillow back to him.... but as they move along with training (carrying & holding the pillow, bringing it back to the helper for more tugging) her attention is shifting to the prey object and she is now more interested in bringing the pillow back to the helper. This will build her confidence and make her aggression very forward.
Whether I was trianing her for a civil venue or just SchH, I personally would do the same thing with foundation to build confidence and teach her to bite and "spar" without stress if time permits. I have trained dogs for police work where I did not do this foundation grip work this extent, but that was more because of time constraints (only had 640 hrs to reach certification)...hobby trained SchH dogs have all the time in the world to progress. With the police dogs, the people "in charge" also wanted to see civil aggression asap, so the most I let them do initially was "posess" (keep to themselves/hold for several moments) the prey object (not carry and hold while the handler cradles them).
I wouldn't want this young 11mo old pup to see the helper as a real threat right now (real threat creates stress, stress creates aviodance)...it would be counterproductive to building confidence. There is always time for that later when she is more mature and solid in her work. It is important in SchH to target the sleeve and target correctly (mid forearm).... that the dog is quiet on the bite (noise indicates the dog is stressed), bites firmly (soft or chompy bite can be an indication of stress) and STAYS on the bite (comming off the bite is stress induced avoidance)....this work is the foundation for that grip and confidence on the bite later.
Those video's of your dog you posted a while back (think that was you, correct me if I'm wrong) with the less than commendable helper work you wanted opinions on.... Your dog showed good aggression and did fairly well for all the stress the decoy created or didn't do anything to quell. This here is more like how I would have suggested you start your dog. In those video's you had posted he would come off the sleeve and go back to you because he lacked forwardness and confidence, comming back to you was avoidance created by too much stress...if you built confidence and forwardness first, you could have moved on to more civil work later if that is what you wanted, and it would have been a much smoother transition and much easier on the dog.
So to answer the question "what if the dog misses and bites the helper elsewhere?" She won't miss. All the work thus far has been teaching the dog to target the prey object (the pillow). If she was pressured with aggitation and put in defense (which I certainly wouldn't do at this stage)...she would probably bite IMO...but because she isn't very far along and not mature enough yet.... it probably wouldn't be a very convincing bite...and she would likely go into aviodance and come off. She could learn to stay on and bite and eventually develop confidence this way with repitition, but I wouldn't want to put that stress on the dog especially a pup....and if the dog does not learn to work in prey she will probably always work with some degree of stress.
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