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what exactly does that mean there hips are fast? what does that mean for future pups? would one take care not to breed 2 fast normals? is there special care needed later for a dog with fats normal?

Fast normal is "almost normal"(loose German translation). I don't know how that relates to OFA in terms of excellent, good, fair, ect, because I have never used OFA. The link below is a perfect example of breeding FAST NORMAL hips. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/401432.html Either the breeders knew what they were doing or struck gold(lucky) because of all the fast normals in the pedigree, this dog is a normal. He may bring to the table some fast normals, however because of his motherline(very close inbreeding of fast normals on his mother's side). You can have 5-7 generations of all NORMALS and an offspring have crippling dysplasia. That dog is just one example. I have one mentor that repeatedly tells me when I ask about a particular dog, "Fast Normal is OK, it is almost normal". Not recommending that quote, just repeating it. Stephen

means almost normal, not perfect, but almost the HD rating of one or both parents does not have a direct result on the HD results of the pups. HDa1 parents do not produce only HDa1 offspring, nor do HDa2 parents only produce HDa2 offspring. same as with any other breeding, make sure everything else fits. use the ZW as a guideline so that the sum of both parents does not exceed 200. But it is no guarantee either. Just as important as looking at the individual dog, look at what is behind it. Example: will the resulting litter have a line breeding to a dog that has maybe not produced the best hips? A line breeding to Jeck Noricum for example, who was a3 but has produced much better than the breed average I would have no concern about. I would be more concerned about line breeding on a dog with a1 who did not produce as well. no special care as any other dog as all joints in a dog will age and change with age. Some hold up better, others don't. Depends on the individual dog. Regardless of HD status, make sure the dog stays sound - avoid injury, provide proper and regular exercise but avoid overexercise, provide quality nutrition, keep weight ideal. Keep in mind that a2 could have been the roll of the dice on that given day. Most dogs coming back with HDa2 were predicted to get HDa1 by the vet who took the x-rays. Breeding means the sum of our dogs, we do not breed hips.

I bought an a2 male that went OFA good. I've seen alot of a2's go ofa good. Others that went fair and even some that went bad. So you never know unless you ofa.

I had a female who was fast normal and rated excellent here.

Other Hip Dysplasia Registries—An Approximation OFA SV (Germany) Excellent Normal Good Normal Fair Normal Borderline Fast Normal Mild Noch Zugelassen Moderate Mittlere Severe Schwere I got this comparison from the OFA website: http://www.offa.org/hipgrade.html

Other Hip Dysplasia Registries—An Approximation OFA -- and --SV (Germany) Excellent = Normal Good = Normal Fair = Normal Borderline = Fast Normal Mild = Noch Zugelassen Moderate = Mittlere Severe = Schwere I got this comparison from the OFA website: http://www.offa.org/hipgrade.html (I seperated it a little bit so it wouldn't be as confusing to those not speaking good english...)

Tbay, don't believe everything you read. Just because the SV does not offer as many gradings as the OFA does, it does not mean that HDa1 will cover everything from Excellent to Fair. Those who say "is so" have hardly ever glimpsed an x-ray destined for an SV a-stamp. You can send in new x-rays of your own already OFA'd dog and chances are that dog will come back with different results from the first time. So it goes for SV x-rays. What was graded x one time may be graded y the next time. It is not an exact science and until people will accept that you cannot press nature into a set scheme for guaranteed results, people will continue to be puzzled by the outcome.

Hello, one could also ask : Is the glas half full or is it half empty ?? Sometimes it is just about in what words or perspective one puts his words.... I've been told always to put the best together and hope for the best ! I would not want to pair up my bitch with a male anything less then "a" hips.It still is not a gurantie that all the pups are later "a" as well. Newest research tells that 30% is genetic and 70% is a problem of how the pups are raised, fed etc. Also, in the last issue of the SV Magazin, it was said that they now know where the gene for the HD in generell is to find. They are trying to determen how to isolate that particular gene. Now that would be a breakthrough in the fight against HD ! You do a bloodtest on the bitch and on the sire..... no HD gene found ....go !! This could seriusly mean that HD could be stopped in a relatively short time ! Regards Ulli

Oh, i forgot...i know that some peopel tried to send e-mails....i have a serios computer problem....right now i can only recieve mail over the adress on my HP.I am not able to send mails, my apologies to those who are waiting for an answer ! Regards Ulli Dresbach