Whate drive is this dog acting in - Page 1

Please see this video and share your comments as to what primary drive the dog is acting in?

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PS: Since we are on the topic of defense and prey drives 


http://www.youtube.com/user/iDuschinski#p/u/9/cg7hErl46gk

It's tough to hear his bark over the music, but it sounds like prey to me.

Vikram....for fun. I will respond....
 
 IMO, LOL...this dog looks like he was in defense at the beginning,,,but since he seemed to be satisfied with the sleeve, I figured it must be prey....How did I do..????

             Deanna...: )

 In my humble opinion this dog is primarily in prey. He has not tasted real defense.  There is no guttural stomach bark and no exposure of canines. He is yelping in sleeve begging mode.

Just my opinion more gurus can comment at will

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The dog is working in prey... see ear/tail set and high pitch barking. He went defensive a little as the helper pushed into him and he was between his handlers legs, however switched right back to prey while running to the blind. A bit of defense as well while he was fighting the helper for the sleeve, but then while under stick pressure he looked overwhelmed to me. Nice rythmic in the blind, but missing power. Nice long bites that are typical for a predominantly prey dog.

 Prey

the videos shows a multitide of attitudes and resultant  behaviors !! it demonstrates  a dynamic intreraction  and changes within the thoughts / feelings/ emotions  in the mind of the dog  ..the  result in the dog wanting at times to apprehend / guard , chase , attack i.e a multutude of exhibited behaviors  etc.. the aim of the dog changes [ and sometimes from momemt to moment ] in accordance to his his peception of the context ... as it should ...  even having had protection experience . somtimes the dog shows just a glimpse of being a little hectic .. a good performance .. not the worst of demo's but then i would personally like to see a few elements a little better ... AP
 

prey,after the sleeve

i am surprised .,.totally taking back : wth all the knowledgable people on this board- many either don't respond and / or cannot accurately discuss[in the general ,stated by poster the  term DRIVE] exactly  what is going on ... THERE are ELEMENTS [ in the poster's lingo] prey AND defensive drives !! this is the problem i see with the use of that word ..  the behavior exhibited by the dog CANNOT acurately be expressed !! E.G when the helper is running away from the dog .. what we call a flee attack .. that is the dog exhibiting prey behavior ..he chasing for the bite.  when at the begining the dog had the sleeve in front laying on the ground with  the helper appearing to try to steal it .. THAST IS DEFENSE . the dog wants the sleeve ... but in order to keep the sleeve in it's possession even though near  the sleeve [ it's in his Space ] he is guarding it with repitoire of  overt behviors .. AND if you look very very close,  it is easy for some to see the ears actually fold back [ a defensive mannerism and communication ].  there are two categories of defensive behavior displayed.. one word but lacks the ability to describe the dog behaving differently !! as the helper takes one step forward and reaches with the hand .the dog's behavior changes  from guarding the sleeve [ a defense behavior ]  to  now the dog feeling  the presence of the helper more so towards himself  [  and not the sleeve] . Although it happens in a spit second , nonetheless there are two different behaviors described by the one word 'drive '  .. two different kinds /types of  " defenses" by the dog !! for a split second. when the helper steps back again n  in a blink of an eye ,  the dog reverts back to the guard  .  there are fluctuations between what the poster calls drive-  prey to defense and defense to prey.  in dog training  there fluctuations / changes occur even with the same category of a specific drive as i discussed. .  again Foolish foolish words are misused, such as  prey and defense . i stated a thousand time on many threads ... the word just  falls soso so  short when  communicating as to what is going on within the dog. !!! case in point ... when my dogs guard you either don't move because there is an automatic attack or if i trianed it an automatic lock on my eyes for the " FASS" signal. ... you will never see his ears go back either scenario .  ..if you  pressure him by encroacxhing in his space  and by trying to take something away  you will either loose the item or get your hand bit because it will be in the way .. he won't care you are intruding upon his space .. he is geting the object one way or another [ if i let him that is].. no ears going back upon your encroachment.i have interacted with him to influence his outlook and feeling for the behavior i want [ you could say i have influenced into which drive and catggory of drive he will enter] in this video for thart dog -- that was a sign that for that microsecond the dog was not comfortable , he was concearned.. so you readers if you are going to look at a video .. or train your dog .. don't miss 1 second . you will misread the dog . BTW same way an officer will read your face during an interrogation .. same principle .. look for ' the change in behavior ' don't get hung up on cliche words or terminology ..

The dog was switching back and forth from prey to defence or also called civil. At first the dog is in prey. When the helper droped the sleeve and came at the dog with the whip is defense training. It comes in handy to have a dog that has a little bit of both. One thing you have to look out for with a dog that doesn't  concentrate on the equiptment is that he is more inclined to bite for real. If the helper were to get too close there is a very good chance of getting taged or worse. Depending on if he has done some bite suite work.