to the breeders out there what about this situation - Page 1

A client buys a dog at 14 months old and their son 8 yearsold let lets the inheat female out of the kennel at the age of 18 months and she whelped at 21 months old. she was let out of the kennel while his dad is at work and that is the cause of the accidental breeding. the dog was sold as a schutzhund caliber / brood bitch. the puppies were in fact not hid but every person who purchased, knew the mom was not ofa certified and sold for minimuum pet prices, as pets and not working dogs and everyone was notified of the ofa results but since they are not working and are pets its not an issue. what if the person who owned the dog was just notifying the person for some restitution to help with spaying expenses because they do love the dog and even asked about maybe a discounted price on another female with good hips to replace the bad one.That they would pay the rest plus shipping. does that change your thoughts? I do not think the person was wanting to cause any troublethey were just  very upset they found out their pet had severe hip dysplasia. Might i add the very first gsd they ever purchased online, on pedigreedatabase. What if this were to be the rest of the story?

If I were the breeder of this female, I would ask that the buyer provide proof positive, that each and every one of the "accidental" puppies is spayed/neutered. That would at least stop the "accidents" from procreating further, down the line, MORE "accidental" puppies with genetics possibly capable of producing MORE bad hips.

After that was done (it would take a while), AND I liked the folks who bought the female , I would consider working with them on another dog/puppy.

Bottom line, the breeder is the one who enabled this to begin with, and there has to be some accountabilty or at least the offer of accountability,  in helping clean up the resulting mess. It does not have to be money, or replacements, but if that is incentive enough to keep the buyer working with you, than so be it.  

As a breeder, MHO is that this clause is in there for the protection of the DOG> 

IT is far too early, even at 18 months, to allow such a young female to be getting pregnant.  Not to say they cant get pregnant, as they can and certainly do.  If you have a young female, it is up to the caregiver to insure that this dog is protected during their heat cycle from an accidental breeding.  Proper housing should be given in order to insure that no males can have access to her. It's not like there were no signs of this female coming into heat...hello... and so if you have children who are old enough to be letting the dog outside unsupervised, they should also be old enough to have the conversation with them about how important it is NOT to let them out until MOmmy or daddy get back home. 
Barring that, put them in a locked kennel run with a padlock that only you have the key for, if you can't trust them to obey the rules given them for her protection....

Note:  this suggestion is in refrence to the bitch in heat...lol...

AKC appears to support and condone this poor breeding practice by the fact that they allow pups to be registered at a ghastly young age...I believe it's somewhere around 8 months of age for conception having taken place.  That's simply horrendous that AKC would allow this policy, and once again...money driven as it is, it's all about registration fees. 

I think I would try to talk it out with the breeder first then coming on here and making matters worse. As we all know puppys are a crap shot and HD does happen reguardless on how hard we try to fix it. You stated that the famale was 14 months did the breeder or you do a prelimb? if so what did the hips look like? 

Also did you sign a contact ? if so what were the warranties if the hips did not pass? Was there anything about her age before being bred or ofa?  that could be the ball buster if you did. Contract are in place to cover the breeder the buyer must most of all the DOG. Yes dogs can be breed earlier then 18 months but SV says 20 months and OFA says 24 months  so depending on where you live it could be different. but most contracts state 24 months.

It is always sad to hear a dog having HD but it sounds like you really love her and want the best for her. HD is the the end of the road (for breeding yes) but many dog with HD have gone on to do ScHH. I think spaying her would be best for her so there were no more acciendts. 


EK