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by VomMysticalHaus on 03 November 2010 - 00:11
Scenario:
You have a client who contacts you stating that their female (purchased from you) has Severe Hip Dysplasia (documented by OFA).
This client has never returned your contract, signed. That does guarantee the hips but states that the female must not be bred before the age of 2 and the hips have been OFA certified.
***They have bred the female before the age of 2 which would void your contract even if they had signed and sent it back.
You know she has been bred because - They called and told you there was an accidental breeding when she was under 16 months - thankfully the breeding did not take.
But later on -
A) You saw puppies for sale on their site when she was around 21 months old - Conveniently neither dam nor sire was listed... only puppy pictures. hmmmm?
B), You see pictures up on their website where you can obviously see that her ninnies are visible like any bitch who has been previously bred and nursed a litter would be.
C) You have called AKC and they have confirmed that she has a litter registered.
What would you do ?
You have a client who contacts you stating that their female (purchased from you) has Severe Hip Dysplasia (documented by OFA).
This client has never returned your contract, signed. That does guarantee the hips but states that the female must not be bred before the age of 2 and the hips have been OFA certified.
***They have bred the female before the age of 2 which would void your contract even if they had signed and sent it back.
You know she has been bred because - They called and told you there was an accidental breeding when she was under 16 months - thankfully the breeding did not take.
But later on -
A) You saw puppies for sale on their site when she was around 21 months old - Conveniently neither dam nor sire was listed... only puppy pictures. hmmmm?
B), You see pictures up on their website where you can obviously see that her ninnies are visible like any bitch who has been previously bred and nursed a litter would be.
C) You have called AKC and they have confirmed that she has a litter registered.
What would you do ?
by Sock Puppet on 03 November 2010 - 00:11
C) You have called AKC and they have confirmed that she has a litter registered.
Nothing. I am not a breeder. JMHO
Nothing. I am not a breeder. JMHO
by yellowrose of Texas on 03 November 2010 - 00:11
Nothing
by VomMysticalHaus on 03 November 2010 - 00:11
Thank You SP for your reply... I just feel like it is a two way street and our clients should be held just as accountable to hold up their end of the contract as we the breeders are.
Also YR, many thanks.
Also YR, many thanks.
by BoCRon on 03 November 2010 - 00:11
Too sad for them. They violated their end of the bargain on multiple levels, so you owe them nothing.
Annette
Annette
by Bhaugh on 03 November 2010 - 00:11
I was going to respond as everyone else initially as the buyer obviously didnt care when she bred the dog BEFORE she had her tested. BUT I dont think that having a litter of pups makes a dog severely dysplastic. If it were me I would want to know more. The possibility exists that if this dog is dysplastic, then siblings may be also. You may have opened up more than you know by posting here if buyers are here reading and have litter mates. Jmo.
by Onyxgirl on 03 November 2010 - 01:11
So you sold a pup without a signed contract?
by Q Man on 03 November 2010 - 01:11
Let me see...
*Didn't return the contract...
*Bred the female before the age of 2...
*The owners lied to you about the female not having puppies....And you have proof thru AKC...
If nothing else...The 3 Strike Rule is in Effect...
I'd do nothing about it...and if they'd ask why...I'd certainly tell them right up front...
~Bob~
*Didn't return the contract...
*Bred the female before the age of 2...
*The owners lied to you about the female not having puppies....And you have proof thru AKC...
If nothing else...The 3 Strike Rule is in Effect...
I'd do nothing about it...and if they'd ask why...I'd certainly tell them right up front...
~Bob~
by VomMysticalHaus on 03 November 2010 - 01:11
Onyxgirl -
You could look at it that way... When I sell a puppy (in this case an older pup/young dog) and it has to be shipped, My previous routine was to send the puppy book with the registration, shot record and two copies of the contract(signed by me) along with a self addressed stamped envelop for sending one of the two copies of the contract (then signed by the client) back to me. In over 5 years I have never had a problem. This case is clearly going to change the way I do things - huge lesson learned.
Bhaugh -
I do not care about opening a case of worms as if the contract had not been violated by the client I would have no problem holding my end of the contract up. Knock on wood... up until now I have never had to address my hip guarantee as I have not previously had a replaceable set of hips. It happens to the best breeders. I am not here to address that as it would be chasing a rabbit, but the sire had a-normal hips and the dam was OFA Good out of an OFA Excellent dam. Neither has ever produced a bad set of hips that I know of.
***BTW - not saying that you were being negative, just trying to be honest. I would want a client that has done everything right to come to me if they had an issue. I would gladly take care of them as best as I could.
You could look at it that way... When I sell a puppy (in this case an older pup/young dog) and it has to be shipped, My previous routine was to send the puppy book with the registration, shot record and two copies of the contract(signed by me) along with a self addressed stamped envelop for sending one of the two copies of the contract (then signed by the client) back to me. In over 5 years I have never had a problem. This case is clearly going to change the way I do things - huge lesson learned.
Bhaugh -
I do not care about opening a case of worms as if the contract had not been violated by the client I would have no problem holding my end of the contract up. Knock on wood... up until now I have never had to address my hip guarantee as I have not previously had a replaceable set of hips. It happens to the best breeders. I am not here to address that as it would be chasing a rabbit, but the sire had a-normal hips and the dam was OFA Good out of an OFA Excellent dam. Neither has ever produced a bad set of hips that I know of.
***BTW - not saying that you were being negative, just trying to be honest. I would want a client that has done everything right to come to me if they had an issue. I would gladly take care of them as best as I could.
by hexe on 03 November 2010 - 02:11
Depends on the reason this buyer has contacted you at this time. If it's just as a courtesy to let you know the verified hip status of a dog of your breeding, I'd thank them for providing me with this information, and express my hopes that despite the severe dysplasia, with good medical and physical management the bitch will be able to live a normal, happy life as a *loving companion and family member* (with emphasis on that part of the sentence).
If they said they were contacting you to claim some recompense for any hip warranty you might have offered in the contract, I'd still say the same things as above, and then point out that they voided any and all warranties in your contract by breeding her.
If they said they were contacting you to claim some recompense for any hip warranty you might have offered in the contract, I'd still say the same things as above, and then point out that they voided any and all warranties in your contract by breeding her.
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