Fero Vom Zeuterner Himmelreich - Page 1

I'm looking for informations on this dog.How was his production ? Good and bad points...Many breeders seem to be reluctant to have him more than once in their progeny's pedigree.Why is that ? Thanks for your comments

He is one of the top producers of all time. Love him or hate him, no one can ignore this fact. Not only did he produce but his sons and grandsons, and even great great sons are continuing to produce. In my opinion, I find he brings a lot of prey drive. And sometimes an extremely high pitched prey bark. Sometimes these dogs are quite difficult to even get to bark. I have heard that dogs from him have environmental problems. I have never seen one, but you must take into consideration every dog has a mother too. Faults that I have seen on in breeding on him are a missing P1 teeth and soft ears. Generally the hips from the Fero lines are good. Some people try to avoid him in their pedigrees today because especially if you have a female, you have a wide variety of males to choose from. This gives breeders an out cross and it is also important for the gene pool. I think people just have their likes and dislikes, I will take Fero any day, but I would not touch a dog with Lord Gleisdreieck in its pedigree....just personal preference!

I have a Fero grandaugther, and I can agree with every comment by Lestat as far as the type and level of drive she inherited. She is not a barker either. She certainly expresses herself in the high-pitched chattering bark when she becomes frustrated during an episode of extreme prey drive. Fero was not beautiful by show standards, but he had the soul for hard-core working ability. For a working-line dog he did achieve a Kkl1 rating which is a bit odd, considering many other true working-line dogs who are quite nice, yet only achive a rating of Kkl2. The only negative issues of that I have ever read was the extent of Fero's civil drive as he could become handler-aggressive and that he was hard-headed. But, aren't these the qualities of many successful working dogs? They are certainly not a dog for everyone. My older bitch has everything in these regards. Not beautiful, but intense in drive. Fero seems to be the ancestor who she best represents. Bob-O

I took a very nice Lewis Malatesta daughter: {http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/390084.html] to Fero for breeding years ago. My impression of him was that he had a very high level of civil aggression. I was not in the least bit tempted to pet him and Hubert Feurstark did not encourage me to do so, especially after he loaded on a jogger passing by on the street. Even at the advanced age of 12 Fero was in surprisingly good shape. He jumped well off the ground for a ball Hubert held up at arm's lengh over his head. Still, he was NOT what I would call a "family dog," more of a brute. I left the female for the breeding and went back to get her later. The litter was large, unfortunately. Most of the pups went to top Ameican handlers. Nothing ever became of any of them as far as I know, they all washed out of training early. About half were over-sharp, (real spooks) several had bad elbows, and one had bad elbows and bad hips. We had to replace most of them. The female, bred to Amigo Brinkweg, produced very nice female named V Biene vom Haus Glitzernstern, who continues to produce for Steve and Connie Miller. For a breeding that looks so good on paper, my one and only Fero litter was definately "litter from hell."

The folks at the below website have very interesting statistics related to Fero. The article gives statistical information regarding popular studs and the performance of their progeny in the 2004 BSP. CLick on news, then click on 05.01.2005 statistik der BSP 2004. http://www.vom-stenzenacker.de/index2.html In breeding there are two pools of DNA, sire and dam. In a 4-4 breeding there are 16 dogs represented. So to say that a dog appearing 2 times out of 16 is responsible for everything good and everything bad is a little difficlut to prove. The only problem with Fero is his dominance in the gene pool. Show GSD breeders are having the same problem with Ursus appearing so frequently. If Fero was so bad Koos Hassing would not use him in his breedings. Kyle

Shelley, I am sorry that you had bad luck with Fero. Not all males cross well with all females as you painfully learned. Fero left a lasting impression on so many people who remembered his performances. I agree that linebreeding on Fero, or any other dog for that matter, is not wise unless one knows what the exact outcome will be. In these days Fero should be no closer than generation 3 for the oldest dogs and bitches, and for many he will appear at generation 4 or 5. It seems to always be a love/hate relationship with either Fero or Mink. It took me a long time to really find out why, as I liked the dog. Bob-O

My Santo is 3-3 on Troll and I have yet to see any handler agression. He has a steady and easy disposition and is very calm in new situations and environments. On the training field he is instantly on, but he is very good about walking off the field and meeting new people. I would never have chosen this bloodline because of the Fero top and bottom and that would have been a mistake. I bought Santo because I really liked him, not his bloodlines. He isn't the best looking dog in the world, we will be happy with a "G", but the personality, trainability and drives are all that could be wished for. Although Fero is pretty far back, I am sure that some of the good stuff came from him. Lorri

MY DOG HAS BOTH FERO & LORD IN HIS PEDIGREE...VERY SATISFIED SO FAR...JORN VOM HAINPARK

I had the pleasure of owning a Fero daughter, Floh von der Kopperpahlerallee SchH 3. She was a very hard dog, extemely confident and excellent with other people. I personally thought she was a gorgeous lady! She had incredible drive and stamina. Unfortunately, I was never able to get her bred, tried 3 times and finally just gave up. At 9 she looked like a 5 year old, very athletic, no greying of the muzzle, very lovable and steady with children. Would LOVE to have another Fero dog in the future! Peggy

I owned three Fero daughters and one Fero son. All were excellent - high drives, very steady nerve, serious aggression but plenty of prey too. Genetic full grips - not always calm grips! Though the Fero son was always VERY full, hard and calm in his grips the girls were often somewhat hectic (in grips not in temperament) - they liked the fight a lot. All would bite "for real" and were somewhat "loaded" to get high points in the sport. Very good dogs, all of them - and good looking also, sound, healthy and active into their later years. molly