Quesiton for Prager - Page 1

I have never owned Shiloh Shepherd breed.
I have owned dogs from Kennel Shiloh Shepherds when they were still breeding  German shepherds and Shiloh Shepherds was  only the name of the kennel. The lines of the  dogs which I had were then developed into Shiloh shepherds breed. Thus yes I had Shiloh shepherds but they were still GSDs at that time.
 They were Timber v Shiloh and Lady v Shiloh. They both were my S&R dogs when I lived up  in Wyoming.
 Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

Prager, You answered very well! But look out for more, because IMO this has to do with paying you back, for what happened, the other day on the Voodoo thread!   See, back when, she was our 'Nice, Fair & Impartial' mod.... She (Vickie) posted under Cindy's name and signed it Vickie! I asked her about it, because by then, her actions were not matching up, to what she was claiming herself to be (as mod)! And to me, it was just another way to promote herself and her business! Although the Breeder Link under Cindy's name was not leading to anything and just said... German Shepherd (something)

She told me, (as I figured the answer would be), that Cindy had been on and she just forgot to sign-in as herself. OK could be... She then came back with the link, for Cindy's site, so, I could validate that is was not hers.....and NOW, all of a sudden, the kennel name was under Cindy's name and it was linked. Ok, I went there.... some really nice dogs... noticed there was a litter back in March, and figured that this was the friend Vickie was talking about, on another thread about someone looking for inexpensive pups. Then I went on the contact page, and it was ALL Vickie! Same phone number as her site! http://www.taosspiritkennels.com/Contact_Us.html

At this point, I'm thinking, this is definitely Vickie's second site and she MUST think people are really STUPID, NOT TO SEE IT (kind of how, she was in modding AND what she did to you and then to, try and twist things, to get people to believe, she did not say or do something! When clearly, we know, what we read or saw)  OR
This Cindy has a lot of faith and trust in her! So, much faith and trust, that she (Cindy and/or husband) are not even mentioned as owners! Who would not be PROUD to have their name, connected with these dogs? And it's not that they don't want people to know because, Cindy has mentioned it, on an international forum and her user name now, has a name of a linkable kennel under it! Although I walked away, thinking even more that, Vickie was Cindy and TaosSpiritkennels was actually her 2nd site..... I said nothing else!

Then later, the thread about Frozen semen came up. I had been reading it, saying nothing. When she used the word SISTER - SITE. I was like...Yes! That's what I'd call Cindy's site..... Vickie's Sister- Site! I still said nothing didn't get involved in thread. Here again, Vickie invites people to her site... OK..... So I went (I did go before but at that time, I was just interested in, whether or not, the phone number was the same as for Cindy's site)......
Very nice site.... Very nice male.... I go to females and I'm checking them out and I noticed Troja Geerenecke hmmm, "Didn't I see that on Cindy's site?" I went back there and yup same dog, who had the pups in March (http://www.taosspiritkennels.com/Litters_For_Sale.html) Well, maybe Cindy used Vickie's male? Nope! So, now we have the same female on both sites! Could they co-own? Yup, but then that would make the litter born in March, Vickie's litter, too! So, then she'd be lying on the semen page when she says she hasn't had a litter in 4 years! Or maybe that's why she used the words 'litter of my own' http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins_read/428911.html?pagen=2 (2nd post from bottom) Only thing left is she sold her but forgot to take down pic although, on last page of thread she said she updated site!

I still said nothing, kept my opinions to myself, since her and I had already gone, round and round in the Voodoo thread..... Then I saw Cindy's Thread here to you and Wow! IMO - It's just trying to start more crap! Just like on the thread about Pohranicni Straze, 'when that person' was calling out 'bad facts'! We knew where that was coming from! As I'm sure you did too! You keep doing what , you are doing Prager (acting MATURE), because the more 'they' try and make you look like a 'cut-throat, misinformed, money hungry, bad breeder!' THE MORE YOU SHINE! Not everyone may like you or always agree with you, but most of us, RESPECT YOU AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE that you, so kindly, take the time to share with us!

By the way, here is a thread, where Vickie admits that 'Cindy's Site' is her Sister-Site...last post on page
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins_read/403060.html?pagen=1#403298
And the one thing I've learned from this site is.... If you're gonna call out facts that could disappear... keep the proof! So, just in case things get deleted, off the sites or changed .... yeah I got the screen shots

Sweet Treats. I guessed something is off, when I have read the question, since I have 6th sense on BS. But I do not know what it would be all about. But I have nothing to hide. I always say the truth to the best of my knowledge. Yeah I screw up often but I always admit to it if it is pointed to me. I am just a human. But since I have bad memory I do not lie because I would have to remember too much and I am too lazy for that.
:)

PS>
 Oh and to answer the original question completely I got my first dogs here in USA from Tina Barber about 30+- years ago.

Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

Agreed! None of us are perfect! 
We all make mistakes and bad decisions at one time or another!
And to me......
It's--- HOW we handle those times
that really show, what we are made of!

It's just trying to start more crap! Just like on the thread about Pohranicni Straze, 'when that person' was calling out 'bad facts'!
 

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, calling out bad facts is something that should be done, and not taken personally by anyone.

 I think that was a very dignified response. That's exactly how I would've answered, even if I knew it was just to provoke me...there are several people who have been provoking me for years, and even though I know where they're going when they feign sincerity, I always pretend I don't and answer 100% truthfully. They can't drag you down with them when you keep that mentality, and good, decent, intelligent people always see it for what it is. Hell, these morons have helped me sell more puppies than I can produce. LOL!

Along the lines of what Hans said about lying, my dad always used to tell us "you have to be very intelligent to be a good liar and you have to have a perfect memory." Does ANYONE have a "perfect" memory? I think not. Best stick to the truth, IMO. 

Wow.  You guys are as awful as I have been told. All I wanted was to buy a Shilo Shepherd and the person I ran into the other day said Prager knew dogs and had had a Shilo at one time.  I believe this person said they had lived in Pragers area and used the same vet.

I dont owe you any explanation but I will because Vickie is my friend and my employee and I care about her. I am a nurse at a hospital in Tulsa and I live alone with my dogs and I like nice dogs but tried schutzhund and dont have time to do it and its not for me.  I met Vickie about 4 years ago when she inquired about a puppy I had for sale.  My Lothar is a czech imoprt and she wanted to know more about him.  We got to talking and a few months later i asked her to come to work for me and help me.  She talked to me about schutzhund  and health issues that I need to have my dogs checked for and what her own goals were whith her own dogs. I liked that and decided to aske her to help me also. I didn't have any titled dogs and I didn't have any of my dogs OFAed and she helped me get all that done.  We actually gave away all my females and she has helped me got titled females.  I did not have a website and Vickie offered to put my female Troja and also the Troja x Basco Heldmann litter on her website.  Troja is my dog.  I liked Vickies website and I asked her to build one for me and manage it for me and she did she was just at my house the other day taking pictures of my dogs that  I need to sell and she was using my compurter.  My phone number was on there for a long time but I got some phone calls and didn't know how to answer the questions about schutzhund and I also work alot of double shifts at the hospital.  I asked Vickie to take my number off there and please just put her own number on there and she agreed.  She helped me import several new females and she helped me get Hessel.  Hessel is more than I can handle though and he lives with Vickie so she can train him and go to nationals with him too.  She is like a daughter to me and she is very good at what she does for me.  I think you guys have her all wrong and all I see here are people who think they are smart but really just mean people. What is wrong with her saying my site is her sister site?  We file our taxes separately so I dont understand what that is supposed to mean.

Vickie does alot for me, she manages my kennel and takes dogs to the vet, arranges/plans breedings, trains and handles my dogs, runs the website and helps me sell my puppies I have another employee named Linda who cleans the kennels for me so Vickie can spend more time training the dogs and manageing everything else .  i pay her to do these things and she is worth every penny! This place is horrible and I am sorry I asked someone I thought was knowledgeable.  I did not know anything about Shilo Shepherds and someone simply told me to go here and ask Prager.

Cindy
 

 Who told you we were so awful? I mean, I largely agree with that statement, but I find it ironic, to say the least. 

Pure coincidence that after Vickie goes head to head w/Prager that her "partner of sorts" shows up here asking Hans about his Shiloh Shepherds?

Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.