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michael68

by michael68 on 21 September 2010 - 21:09

I have a question about tying out a dog in PSA training.  Our dogs are just starting out in PSA and the decoy ties the dogs out to a tree.  The dogs are 9mo and 6mo.  I was told by another decoyer that dogs this young should not be tied out. 

What is your opinions?

by ModeratorA on 21 September 2010 - 22:09

I don't know why it wouldn't be good to tie out a puppy.  I would think it would be a plus actually otherwise you would be holding the leash.  If the puppy is tied out then you can be at the end of the tie out by the puppy's side to encourage and praise his behavior instead of putting the puppy at the end of the leash out there all my himself.

ModA

raymond

by raymond on 21 September 2010 - 22:09

Actually a very knowledgable man by the name of Carl Smith told me that it is a good thing to tie a puppy out to a tie off or tree while other dogs are in training! And for the owner to be close by in case of SA and gradually increase the distance from dog and owner!Wasn't Carl Smith the winner of the nationals this year? His words were it increases the puppies attention to what is going on  on the field thus preparing it to interact  as well as allowing the helper to interact with the puppy from time to time!  helps alleviate any seperation anxiety issues ! and a whole bunch of other items that help the dog interact with instructors! Well thats what I remember him telling us!

4pack

by 4pack on 21 September 2010 - 22:09

Mike, can you better describe what is going on? Are they stalking the tied out dog, leaving him to watch the others work or working the pup while he is tied out?

michael68

by michael68 on 22 September 2010 - 00:09

the dogs are crated while other dogs are being worked..he then (trainer) has me tie out my 9 month male to a tree while he is working my pup

EKvonEarnhardt

by EKvonEarnhardt on 22 September 2010 - 00:09

Have you ask the decoyer why he is doing it? 

PS love you avatar , is that your male? 

michael68

by michael68 on 22 September 2010 - 00:09

no i have not asked him yet..i was told by a very close person who does ring sport that he is to young to be tied to a tree while he is being worked.and yes he is mine ek

Slamdunc

by Slamdunc on 22 September 2010 - 01:09

There is nothing wrong with back tying a young dog and working the dog.  I will do it with young dogs that have a new or novice handler or for some reason can not perform the "handler post" properly.  For example a handler that couldn't hold the dog on lead because the dog is too strong for the handler. 

The problems arise not from back tying the dog but how it is worked when back tied.

Jim

RatPackKing

by RatPackKing on 22 September 2010 - 02:09

I liked to back tie to teach a youngster to counter. Using a prong on the dead ring and pulling the dog with a  tightening line the pup learns very quickly that to release pressure he must counter.

I also use the back tie to teach a young dog how to work the helper. I like to use a technique of swinging the tug that is tied to a 10ft lease overhead in a circular fashion. I then make the tug go dead by dropping to the ground. When the pup barks I'll re- activate the tug swinging it overhead. He should be quite when it is in motion and barks like crazy when it stops.

I forgot to mention that when rotating the tug I'll swing the tug just in front of him for a bite as the reward. This is a good way to learn targeting techniques.

It is very important that the handler praise the dog only on the counter. It equally important that the helper reward the counter and not shaking or thrashing on the tug.

RPK


animules

by animules on 22 September 2010 - 02:09

Well said Jim.   I don't think it's the age as much as how the dog is worked. 





 


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