Ol Roy dog food - Page 3

 There is a big trick to what dog food manufacturers can put on their label.

Take for instance:    40% Fat,  25% Protein, 30% Carbohydrates.

You can take bird feathers,  old leather and engine grease, mix it together with a huge moulinex to mix it together with some "real" feed like corn and soymeal.  and sell it.   The ingredients are perfectly correct but what it does not say is it's digestability..

There is a farm here in iceland that uses minks for this kind of study (and please let's keep animal abuse posts somewhere else).    and what they do is simply weigh the food in and excrement out.  Simple, but surprisingly accurate about the quality of the feed.


I used to feed my dogs raw horse meat (Icelandic horses, called ponies due to size,  but are really horses), ages  10 years+.  Very chewy meat (high in fibre).    And it completely amazed me every time when I gave my dogs this how unbelievably their stools where compared to the intake.  (where talking like 3-4 pounds of meat a day for a girl close to labor, and very black  brackish stool the size of 2 thumbs.


And again,  when I had to give them mass produced cheap dog feed from the local savings store,   what a friggin mountain came out of them.


This farm with the mink test give a very simple score where they evaluate feeds (for instance dog feed) in the % of digestability, which gives you a much much better idea of the quality, rather then the ingredient list.

Oli

Excellent post Oli and thanks for sharing.

Garbage in=Garbage out!!!

Hey Oli, is it OK if I post now? Nona said I can't. She says I can't stick my nose in where it doesn't belong. What do you think? 

 Sure,  post ahead.    This is actually a valuable topic that I think people with dogs should know.   So few people wonder about the amount in and the amount out with their dogs.  even though they have 2,5,10,20 and feed them every day. 

It says a lot about the quality of the food and I always got unbelievable good comments from judges and foreign breeders about the quality of my dogs coat, the whiteness of their teeth (and how the hell I got rid of the plaque without a dentist) and their overall health.  

Raw meat from old beasts that took them a long time to chew through.  (and the ribs as a bonus treat).   Bones are alright as long as they are not boiled.   Boiling bones removes the calcium and leaves the basic bone structure,  which will break like glass and stick in their throat.    unboiled bones  they simply grind away.   Never had any problems with raw bones.

If I wanted a bone to last, I would go to the local butcher house and buy a bull upper leg (thigh)  bone.  Huge things that lasted forever.

Thanks Oli, it's nice not to be told to shut up and that I'm old and ugly.

Raw meat is the only food fit for a dog. That's not my opinion, either. It's fact. 
OK that and yogurt and raw eggs. But those are still raw and come from animal sources.

However, I'll thank everyone NOT to feed raw so that my sources don't dry up.

I wish i could convince the horse rescue in my area to let me have some meat off their dead horses, but I suspect that the euthanasia drugs would not be too good for my dogs. Anybody know about that? 

 Hah,  Back here I owned a lot of horses also,  and I simply took them behind the barn and did all the stuff myself (except the shooting,  never could get myself to do that).   One simple shot between the eyes (the horses are surprisingly weak spotted there, ( I've seen farmers put down a horse with a simple hammer head blow to the correct spot.  Where talking instant-like..).   Used almost every part of them.

And yes,  I used raw meat and and eggs.  Though only for b*tches the first days after giving birth.,  Used to mash the egg shells to powder and mix the eggs and some ground beef.   

Oli, since you gave Sock Puppet an explaination as to why you deleted his threads, please give me a reason why you deleted mine..Other thean you can...?

 No I simply deleted the whole thread since it was 100% bickering,  from everybody.

I like the raw diet for our carnivore pets (dogs, cats), but  I saw an interesting program on TV about a week or so ago (Discovery, Science Channel or similar) that was exploring how eating cooked food, changed humans.

Turns out, from their studies that cooking food  is actually easier on the body. It takes less energy to digest and gives more energy in return than uncooked food. Cooking our food (mostly meat in the early humans) resulted in us evolving into having a smaller stomach (not needed for the vast quantities of raw food) and then larger brains, which require a lot of energy to work, even at rest.

What's more, is that they did a study on mice and snakes who were fed raw food and then cooked food. Mice were fed raw, then cooked sweet potatoes and the pythons raw and then cooked meat. The scientists then measured various things in the animals' metabolisms such as oxygen use, energy output, weight, digestion. Both species did better when their food was cooked.

It made me wonder if our dogs would benefit from their raw food being cooked as well. In how it was presented in the program, it made sense that raw takes more energy to digest and is harder on the body, as well as doesn't offer the same energy conversion and nutritional output as cooked does.

Thank You at least it shows you see the truth...