Ol Roy dog food - Page 2

I wasn't suggesting that you can't feed cheap, if the dog does good on it, and I certainly wouldn't feed high-end dog food to strays.  I know about not being able to afford to buy the expensive dog food.  I feed Purina Dog Chow to Misty, and am having a hard time with the more pricey stuff for Oakley, but that's what she is eating, as it better suits her needs.  I also supplement with raw when I can, because for me, that is the more reasonable way to go, when I can get butcher scraps. 

As for Ol' Roy, my parents bought Ol' Roy when I was a kid, and that's what was fed to my first GSD, Prince.  He nearly died eating that stuff.  It did not meet his nutritional requirements and he could not keep weight on.  His coat was horrible and he looked awful.  I switched him to Kirkland Signatures as soon as I was able to make that decision for myself, even before I wormed him ( no worms, by the way), and he began gaining weight, improving coat, and gaining energy.  For him, Ol' Roy was horrible, and nearly killed him.

Now for some dogs, it doesn't matter at all.  Price figures into it, for sure.  But the way I see it is that if you have to buy two or three forty pound bags of food at $20 to get the same amount of nutrition as you get from one 28 pound bag of $50 food, and your dogs do well on either, wouldn't it make sense to buy the better food and save money, while providing better nutrition?  (Sorry about the wordy sentence!)  I wouldn't necessarily worry about it if I were feeding strays...

On that subject, however, Steph of Montana GSD Rescue feeds Dick van Patten's Natural Balance, Sweet Potato and Fish to all of her dogs, except the one she has raised on raw, and any dog that does not do well on it.  She does not cut corners with the quality of the food fed, simply because the dogs are rescues.  I am sure there are rescues that do not feed the highest quality foods, and use the money elsewhere, but that's what Steph does.  All of her dogs look great and are healthy as can be.

That's just my opinion, and if your dogs do okay on the other, then I really don't see what difference it makes.  Some blame cheap dog foods for cancers and other issues, but I have heard of so many cases of all those conditions in dogs that are fed much better diets.  Though poor quality diet definitely impacts health, I think vaccines are also part of it, along with environment.  I know a forty five year old man that eats a very healthy diet, exercises a lot, does not smoke, drink, or do any drugs, and lives a very healthy life, who has high blood pressure and other issues typically associated with doing the things he does not do. 

JMO

Crys

Phil,
I genuinely did not know that about menadione.  Knew about the BHA/BHT, however.

It appears the ingredient you're referring to also shows up on Purina ingredient lists.

Hi Brun, what's with the question? I know your not feeding this crap to your dogs.

Vom Brunhaus is an old timer here who's been around the block and then some.  I'm guessing he's got some ulterior motive for posting the question. 

I would never feed Purina and/or Ol Roy what a joke. Their are cheap foods that are better than either of these foods.

Like Diamond Naturals at about $22.00 a 40 pound bag. I know that it is not the best but it sure beats Purina and Ol Walmart.

Just my opinion and it is not open for debate.  LMAO

          Not knowing much about ingredients then...., my first GSD ate Iams all her life. She lived 14 healthy and happy years...
           I have a senior Great Dane, she is 12 years old, has been healthy as an ox....on Iams her whole life...

                              Go figure                    


                                                          Ruger1

My nephew feeds this to his dog, a torkie/beagle mix.  I tell him to feed her something different but he is too cheap to buy anything else.  I feel so bad for her b/c I never bought her that crap.

Yeah Ol Roy is something to stay away from.

You can get Orijen & Blue Buffalo for a good price on amazon.com

This is how I explain it to pet owners:
Junk food is something we eat once a week or as a snack like a bag of Cheetos, but your dog eats his food every day.  If you were to eat McDonalds for 30 days, the movie "Supersize Me" shows the effects- pre-diabetic conditions, sky high blood pressure, obesity, dull & sallow skin, and general feeling of lethargy and sickness.  Grocery-store brand dog foods are your dogs equivilant of McDonalds, and the cheap treats are like Doritos.  To name a few- Pedigree, Purina Dog Chow, Ol' Roy, Gravy Train, Alpo, and so forth.  The mid-grade foods are not much better:  Science Diet, Nutro, Iams.  Those mid-grade foods is like having a frozen tv dinner every day-- it's food, but it's just not fresh or healthy, and it's very processed.  Will you live?   Yes, but not for long and not without health issues.  The healthiest foods, both for humans and dogs, are the least processed.  Real whole foods, like meat, eggs, bones, organs, and yogurt.  Or for us, whole grains, fruit, veggies, lean meats, eggs, all the items you find on the outskirts in the grocery store but not in the center isles.

Ol' Roy might as well be called dog poison.  It is like a free waste disposal service for them to make pet food out of the odds/ends that has no other use and isn't fit for humans- it will rot your dogs teeth out, fill him with toxins, and it has had several recalls.

The ingredient list is terrible, as Mudwick posted.  I can break it down to what's wrong with each ingredient.  To name one, "Meat and bone meal".  This is rendered waste from animal tissue and fat, can be dead/diseased downers, pieces that fall on the floor at plants, scraps... It's been cooked down and dried.  That same ingredient will be processed again when the kibble is cooked-- can you imagine all that processing and how it may denature protiens?  The quality of a food does go beyond the ingredient list, to the quality of the company.  Read this article I did on rendered pets being in dog food in "Meat and Bone Meal", http://www.examiner.com/dog-training-in-chicago/rendered-dead-pets-may-be-your-dogs-food  and then tell me if you'd feel comfortable with the feed regulations.

The preservatives mentioned, BHT or BHA, would apply to packaged food and treats but not canned (cans are preserved by the can), Ol Roy makes a semi-moist food that comes in packets as well, those preservatives have been linked to cancer, allergies, kidney problems, liver disease.  They cannot use them in those levels in human food, but watch out because BHA is in plenty of human foods, I was just drinking a zero-calorie fruit water thing from Aldi and it has chemical preservatives.  More natural foods with use Vit E or rosemary oil.

I'm glad someone else tossed out the pets-in-petfood angle so I didn't have to.

Well put, Doberdoodle.

I think THIS was Vom Brunhaus's angle........ EDUCATION to JOE PUBLIC

Keep it going people