VA Rating out of Untitled female..???

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by Ruger1 on 06 September 2010 - 01:09

A dog is out of an untitled female. Female gets titled at a later date. Can the dogs that were born before she was titled ever achieve a VA rating.....???

Ruger1

by GSDPACK on 06 September 2010 - 02:09

you know what? I dont know but If this dog was bred in Germany, the ofspring should not even be papered. Only titled breed surveyed dogs get to be breed worthy and have puppies with papers.

In The USA a toothless dog can have papered puppies..

this is excellent ?
I wonder. I certanly hope somebody has the right answer.

Pack

by Dog1 on 06 September 2010 - 03:09

The rules in the US follow the SV rules. There needs to be two generations of titled AND surveyed dogs before the offspring can go VA.

by Donald Deluxe on 06 September 2010 - 03:09

"Only titled breed surveyed dogs get to be breed worthy and have puppies with papers."

Pups out of working titled dogs that don't have breed surveys receive white or "Leistungszucht" SV papers. They just aren't entitled to pink papers.

by Ruger1 on 06 September 2010 - 03:09

by Ruger1 on 06 September 2010 - 04:09

          If sire is VA and dam is untitled, but becomes titled and breed surveyed a year later, can those dogs be rated VA.? Is there some type of punishment ( for lack of a better word) for the litter prior to the the titling and breed survey on the dam. I hope this is more clear.....

by Mackenzie on 06 September 2010 - 06:09

In 1983 Hermann Martin wanted to make Putz V Arjakjo VA but he put him back to V1 because his mother had no Sch H title. The mother, at nine years of age, was trained and passed her Sch h 1 test and the following year Putz made VA4.

Mackenzie

by Ruger1 on 06 September 2010 - 12:09

Mackenzie....That is exactly the question I was asking....Thank you for the example..

Ruger1

by GSDPACK on 06 September 2010 - 19:09

DD thank you,
you see I was under the impression that the breeding practices are the same as in Czech or Slovakia :only titled dogs (breed worthy, proven with breed survey I believe "bonitacia" + breedable hips and now I believe soon also elbows) can have papered puppies. The rest are "bez PP" as we call it and it means no papers.
I remember the lowest breeding qualification was SVV2 now it is SVV1 and in breeds like RTW it only ZM or BH.. even there the requirements are getting lower and lower.. I am waiting for the day when a dog comes on the field, farts loudly and gets his IPO3... sad.

Learning something new every day.
Thanks again

Pack

by Liesjers on 06 September 2010 - 21:09

Interesting question, looks like Mackenzie has found the answer. My guess would have been that the sire and dam need the title and KKL1 at the time the dog is elligible for the VA rating, and that it wouldn't matter if the female was untitled originally. My male's dam got her KKL1 last summer when he was shown in the 6-12 month class. Next summer when he is almost 3 she will repeat it "for life". I'm not planning on getting VA placements with him though!

Registering breedings and getting papers is not really what Ruger was asking....

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