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Ace952

by Ace952 on 03 September 2010 - 07:09

Im sure most everyone has watched these shows here. Do you have a preference of one over the other? Have you tried techniques from each trainer (Cesar & Victoria) and have they worked? How much of the dogs problem is the owners and how much is genetics? I know some people say Cesar is too dominant with dogs while Victoria is too soft. Since there are many trainers and breeders on this site it would be good to know what you all think.

by geordiegaviino on 03 September 2010 - 08:09

Victoria i like but she always seems to play for the camera's and Ceaser is just amazing... :)

4pack

by 4pack on 03 September 2010 - 13:09

I think the only good thing about either show, is how they show how retarded pet owners out there, really are.

Don Corleone

by Don Corleone on 03 September 2010 - 14:09

I would rather poke my own eyes, pour Louisiana hot sauce in them and watch the antiques roadshow. But then again, eef ju wan a com somissiv dog...

LadyFrost

by LadyFrost on 03 September 2010 - 14:09

4pack is right some episodes are so annoying with people who probably should not have dogs as pets..maybe hamsters..and its scary to see that some of those people have kids...When ever we meet a new family I always look at their dogs and how much control owners have, if they can't control their pets there is no way they are disciplining their kids, and thats where the play dates or close relations end....

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 03 September 2010 - 14:09

Don't waste your time; you'll learn more about working with dogs by working with dogs than you will by watching television.

Elkoorr

by Elkoorr on 03 September 2010 - 14:09

LOL both shows are kinda entertaining! I like Victoria telling that the peeps suck point blank in their face (not so much as she was in the US, but alot in the UK) Victorias approach and problems are different then those shown in Cesar's cases. She trains or retrains the dogs. Cesar is a behaviorist, not a dog trainer. He builts upon natural occuring pack behavior. His approach is actual quite simple... be the leader, follow through with it and provide for the pack. However,  would love to see what he would do if his large pack wasnt all neutered.

VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 03 September 2010 - 14:09

The only decent dog training show was the Monks of New Skete's show but it got canned- I'm sure because they stressed training takes time and work, with no 30 minutes solutions to cater to lazy dog owners.

Doberdoodle

by Doberdoodle on 03 September 2010 - 14:09

Both of them are awful in their own way.  Stillwell I have seen enough of to say she's a terrible trainer, I have seen at least 5-10 episodes of her show.  Just look on YouTube on what she considers the worst case she ever had, hold on let me find it... Ok, I can't find it (was 2 adopted Pits, not even bad at all) but here is the #5 "Most Difficult Dog", and Victoria's solution for his biting is to literally DRAG him to the basement http://animal.discovery.com/videos/its-me-or-the-dog-diesel.html  That is not a "problem dog" that is a Husky being an un-trained Husky!

She will never have real aggressive dogs on her show, and she will never provide real solutions for people.  The solution for dogs barking on the porch?  Every time they bark, raise your hands up in the air and make them go inside, with some dogs you will do that all day and it won't work, solution to a large dog biting his leash while you're holding it?  Take the leash off!  I have never seen her on her show with a trained dog.  She also speaks to clients in a horribly judgemental tone.  Notice in any of these shows, you won't see honest follow-up, and probably 8 out of 10 families have had no real progress long-term. 

Milan, he's been renounced by every respected behaviorist and animal wefare group out there, read this, http://www.urbandawgs.com/divided_profession.html  Dr. Nicholas Dodman has credited Milan with "setting dog training back 20 years."  He has some really wacked-out episodes where he does strange things with dogs, and he uses alpha rolls which are proven not to be effective.  But to his credit, he does keep a large pack of dogs in line, and he does have REAL issues on his show.  Milan will take a dog for a month-long bootcamp, and what you see is a heavily edited show.  He puts too much emphasis on having a dominating attitude, slinging around new-agey sayings about "energy" as if assertive energy is going to train your dog?  The short-cuts are no good, the only way to train a dog properly is with a good foundation of obedience, not by tackling behavior issues with neck-pokes and weird contraptions.  One of the worst episodes is where Milan used a "virtual reality chamber" on a terrified dog, putting a harness that had a loop under her tail, saying if she can't physically tuck her tail she can't feel scared, then flooding her on a treadmill with baloons and thunderstorm tapes.  One thing of Milans I do like, is 1) Dicipline 2) Exercise 3) Affection, in that order, and I like how he gives Americans a wake-up call that they're not babies in fur, that they are animals who need a leader and exercise. 

On the positive side, both of these trainers have brought dog training into the spotlight, the good thing they've done is encourage owners to think "Hey, maybe my dog is trainable."

Dog training in pop culture, and dog training methodology, are two of my interests, so I do have a lot to say on these issues!
 


Doberdoodle

by Doberdoodle on 03 September 2010 - 15:09

RE: KC, that is a great point.  The best dog training is work and patience, and is no fun to watch.  To have a show, you need a strong character (hence why Stilwell comes in wearing knee-boots all S&M looking and "in charge") and MIlan is quite a character himself, with almost mystical beast-master powers.  Then you need DRAMA, conflict, some crying, and conflict resolution. 

And doesn't hurt when the watchers get to see a dog attack Milan, this is why in 1 episode I saw, he intentionally nudged an aggressive dog with the side of his left foot, I don't know if anyone else caught that, but IMO he did it to provoke the dog and it tried to attack him.  To protect himself, he held the dog out, therby choking it somewhat.  Then of course some of the "dog-friendly trainers" cried "MILAN CHOKES DOGS!"  He actually has an "I Hate Cesar Milan" club online with thousands of members   It's too easy to sit back and critique someone, not so easy to do this job and do it better.

Another thing people need to accept is that training a problematic dog, there will be periods of stress for the dog involved, the disagreement would be how much stress is ok.  Kind of an end/means debate.  I think this is at the heart of the divide in dog training- how much stress is too much, and what justifies putting a dog through stress?  Some trainers will say that any stress is wrong, once they see lip licking, yawning, or reisistance they say stop right there... but can you really work under threshold all the time and still accomplish what you want?  It's a slippery slope, because trainers have used it to justify doing some pretty terrible things to dogs, in the name of saving their life.





 


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