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Don DeLeon

by Don DeLeon on 30 August 2010 - 22:08

Here we are GSD Swamis!  As usual when I REALLY want to know, I pull the opinion of the board members card.

Here it is:

Does anyone have expert knowledge about using Ivermectin 1% Soln. for sarcoptic mange in a 5 mo. old GSD female?

             Thanks in advance!

                                                    Don D.

by malshep on 30 August 2010 - 22:08

Talk to your vet, I would do a blood test to see how the kidneys and liver are doing before starting Ivermectin, also I do know that you have to start at a very low dose and increase the dose to see if your dog is will have a reaction to it. Again talk to your vet.
Always,
Cee

Bhall

by Bhall on 31 August 2010 - 00:08

Not sure but I believe Ivermectin is used for Demodectic Mange not Sarcoptic, but I could be wrong.

Judy P

by Judy P on 31 August 2010 - 00:08

First off let me say I am not a vet but doing the amount of rescue I have done I have treated numerous cases of scarpoctic mange.  There are two very easy methods of treatment one being Revolution, applied in 2 doses 2 weeks apart that usually solves your entire problem.  The other being a topical treatment called Avantage Multi applied in the same method.  My personal preference is Revolution I have jad fantastic success with it.  Of course find the source to prevent reinfestation and make sure the enviroment is clean.

by mobjack on 31 August 2010 - 00:08

Ivermectin is used off label for demodectic mange and I have used it with great success on a severe case. The dosage should be figured by your vet especially in a growning pup as it is given daily.

Sarcopic is much easier to treat. If you're dealing with sarcpoic, beware as that kind is transmittable.

If you haven't had the pup to the vet to have a skin scraping done to determine what's going on, you really should take her in so you know you're treating for the right thing. Mange can be accompanied by bacterial and fungal skin infections and often is. She may need a course of antibiotics or antifungals too.

Diane Jessup

by Diane Jessup on 31 August 2010 - 00:08

All great advice. I;ve used it for years for demodex on rescues with great success. My dogs get roughly .8 to 1cc monthly every month for worms, etc and it does well for everything but tapes.

MVF

by MVF on 31 August 2010 - 02:08

I had a tragedy with Ivermectin and reviewed the research -- including the original lab studies (scanned and available).  Its safety has been overstated by the research community and by most vets.  MANY dogs had to be pulled from Ivermectin studies before the studies were complete because they were not doing well.   Many dogs cannot tolerate Ivermectin, and some, mostly those most closely related to collies and greyhounds, fail quickly.

NEVER use Ivermectin unless you plan to start slowly, monitor very, very carefully, and STOP at the first sign of trouble.

Good luck.


Don DeLeon

by Don DeLeon on 31 August 2010 - 02:08

As usual the sage advice here was excellent.  Thank all of you that looked and those brave and knowledgeable enough to reply.  Caution goes with the counsel of many. 

Now, after numerous web pages viewed,telephone calls and cups of Starbuck's I have chosen to go with the Revolution (selamectin) which is chemically related to ivermectin or Advantage Multi.

Here is a question.  Does anyone have access to Revolution or Advantage Multi at an inexpensive price?  I'm always looking for a deal.  Not cheap; just want to keep down the costs so I can eat too.  If you do, please send me a personal message.

                                                   With Much Respect and Thanks,
                                                           Don D.


PowerHaus

by PowerHaus on 31 August 2010 - 03:08

If you are giving .8 to 1 cc of ivermectin you are grossly overdosing your dog!  

According to the FDA, the "recommended minimum dose level [is] 6.0 mcg ivermectin per kilogram (2.72 mcg/lb) of body weight" for treatment of heartworms in dogs. This is the dosage in the FDA approved Heartgard.
For example, for a 40 lb dog, I calculate that as: 2.72 x 40 = 108 mcg or .108 mg. See the following:
 
http://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/730.htm

Dilute Ivomec (you want the 1% injectable Ivomec for cattle) one part Ivomec to 9 parts propylene glycol....then give the dog 1/10 of a cc per 10 lbs. of dog of this solution (a 40 lb. dog gets 4/10 of a cc.)

Simply add 0.3 ml of 1% Ivermectin injectable to one ounce of propylene glycol, making a 100 microgram/ml solution. Dose this at 0.1 ml per pound of body weight (10 micrograms per pound) once monthly."

Heartgard has 272 mcg or Ivermectin for the 50-100 dog dose
157 mcg for the 25-50lb dose and 68 mcg for the up top 25 lb dose.
I figured this out myself and then verified it with another persons formula for which the web site is.

http://www.convertit.com/board/view.asp?mode=viewtopic&topicID=749&forumID=1&catI D=9

Here is the Formula- they base it on 2.73 which means that the Heartgard 51-100 lb dose is based on the 100 lb dog.
THE FORMULA
Ivomec Ivermectin has 10 mg or 10000 ug per cc. 6 ug per kg is 2.73 ug per pound. So multiply the dog's weight in pounds by 2.73 to get the micrograms needed, and divide that by 10000 for the number of cc's to give the dog.
So for a 100 lb dog.
100 x 2.73 = 273
273 divided by 10000 =.0273 ml or cc
thus your Hundred lb dog needs just about 1 quarter of a cc of ivermectin 1% solution per month.
I made a table to make it easy or you can just use the formula. I rounded the numbers.
10 lbs = .0027 cc or ml (call it .003)
20 lbs = .0055 cc or ml
30 lbs = .0082 cc or ml
40 lbs = .011 cc or ml
50 lbs = .013 cc or ml
60 lbs = .016 cc or ml
70 lbs = .020 cc or ml
80 lbs = .022 cc or ml
90 lbs = .025 cc or ml
100 lbs = .027 cc or ml

The precise dosage of Ivomec 1% for dogs is 0.0027 cc or ml per 10 pounds. This based on the concentration in Heartgard for dogs.

Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com


 


by michael49 on 31 August 2010 - 03:08

1/10cc  per 10lbs of body weight as heartworm preventative. Having said that, unless Diane has 80 to 100 lb pits, she is overdosing. The op wanted to know about treating sarcoptic with ivermectin, as Mobjack  stated, ivermectic is for treatment of demodectic mange and should be used under a vets direction.





 


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