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by RLHAR on 21 August 2010 - 04:08
After reading some recent posts, I'm curious about something.
If you are not a working K9 officer, who requires a dog capable of civil/defensive drive as your partner.
Why would you keep a dog who is openly aggressive towards innocent people?
If you are not a working K9 officer, who requires a dog capable of civil/defensive drive as your partner.
Why would you keep a dog who is openly aggressive towards innocent people?
by Sam Spade on 21 August 2010 - 04:08
Well first off, civil and defense are two different things, but that's another story.
If nobody had dogs like this, who would supply the police?
by RLHAR on 21 August 2010 - 04:08
I guess I'm just ... curious Sam.
I can totally understanding the police needing a dog like this. I know Slamdunc and I have a great respect for him and Boomer, as well as other K9 dog and partner combinations.
I just mean the average Joe Schmoo. Why would you want to have a dog who is aggresive to people and you couldn't control? Why have that walking liability at the end of a leash?
I can totally understanding the police needing a dog like this. I know Slamdunc and I have a great respect for him and Boomer, as well as other K9 dog and partner combinations.
I just mean the average Joe Schmoo. Why would you want to have a dog who is aggresive to people and you couldn't control? Why have that walking liability at the end of a leash?
by Sam Spade on 21 August 2010 - 04:08
Well now you're saying that drive and tempermant can't be trained or controlled.
by RLHAR on 21 August 2010 - 05:08
Mmm, no, that's not what I mean.
Drive and temperment need to be 'respected' and properly channeled. But if you don't respect a dog's temperment and their drive, treat them as your average 'Fluffy' for lack of a better term, you're asking for trouble.
Drive and temperment need to be 'respected' and properly channeled. But if you don't respect a dog's temperment and their drive, treat them as your average 'Fluffy' for lack of a better term, you're asking for trouble.
by Slamdunc on 21 August 2010 - 06:08
RLHAR,
Thanks for the nice comment on Boomer. I will add that Boomer is fine around people, they just can't pet him but they can throw a ball to him all day.
I understand what you are saying. IMO, some people get a cute cuddly puppy and spoil the little fur ball. Then the dog gets older and these people have never dealt with a dog that may have a seriously sharp side. Most of the time the owner has no idea how to properly handle or correct the dog and inadvertently creates a huge problem. I have read bits and pieces of some of the threads here lately. What I gather is that there are many well meaning, loving pet owners who wound up with a dog that is more then they can handle. These owners then realize that their fluffy puppy is possibly a big liability. People become attached to their pets and can't give them up. The other problem is when people do not understand how to deal with this type of dog and through their perception of kindness they do more harm than good when it comes to the dog.
JMO FWIW,
Jim
Thanks for the nice comment on Boomer. I will add that Boomer is fine around people, they just can't pet him but they can throw a ball to him all day.
I understand what you are saying. IMO, some people get a cute cuddly puppy and spoil the little fur ball. Then the dog gets older and these people have never dealt with a dog that may have a seriously sharp side. Most of the time the owner has no idea how to properly handle or correct the dog and inadvertently creates a huge problem. I have read bits and pieces of some of the threads here lately. What I gather is that there are many well meaning, loving pet owners who wound up with a dog that is more then they can handle. These owners then realize that their fluffy puppy is possibly a big liability. People become attached to their pets and can't give them up. The other problem is when people do not understand how to deal with this type of dog and through their perception of kindness they do more harm than good when it comes to the dog.
JMO FWIW,
Jim
by DDR-DSH on 21 August 2010 - 07:08
Jewelry salesmen / couriers and merchants / workers in precious metals, currencies and pharmaceuticals often need dogs which are very sharp and defense oriented, but preferably well trained and under control. Especially if they free lance and travel alone, or operate a business with public access... These people are frequently targetted by criminals who are often trained and well organized. A good dog can really foul their plans, and if they DO try to carry out a robbery, the dog can at least give the victim a chance to draw a weapon (many of them pack heat).
The dog has no way of knowing if someone is "innocent". It can only go on the "assumption" (instinct) that anyone who comes into range is a threat. It's up to the owner / handler to continually monitor their dog, which is also to their protection, since the dog will often sense a threat before the owner will.
by Nans gsd on 21 August 2010 - 14:08
Fluffy ball or fur or not it is all in the control and handling and specifically their training. Training does not stop at any age it continues throughout the life of the dog. Handler responsiiblity is crutial to managing any animal in the public anywhere, anytime. Particularly a german shepherd. WE NEED TO PROTECT THIS BREED. Great day, Nan
by KellyJ on 21 August 2010 - 15:08
Hey jim!
I love you... and youre my hero!
lolJust wanted to let you know that I started the Police Academy...so I am on my way to be as great a K9 handler as you are!!
We have two outstanding K9s in my hometown...
One is a Czech male shepherd who is completely stable around strangers. I was actually honored to meet him and his handler let me pet him! I had goosebumps!
The other is a Male Dutch Shepherd named Meiko...I hear he isnt too social, but not agressive.
We used to have a female Malinois Reka. She went though many handlers. Pet her if you dare! lol She was a maniac!
by RutavehausKFK on 21 August 2010 - 15:08
I'm Curious...
by Slamdunc on 21 August 2010 - 06:08
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RLHAR,
Thanks for the nice comment on Boomer. I will add that Boomer is fine around people, they just can't pet him but they can throw a ball to him all day.
I understand what you are saying. IMO, some people get a cute cuddly puppy and spoil the little fur ball. Then the dog gets older and these people have never dealt with a dog that may have a seriously sharp side. Most of the time the owner has no idea how to properly handle or correct the dog and inadvertently creates a huge problem. I have read bits and pieces of some of the threads here lately. What I gather is that there are many well meaning, loving pet owners who wound up with a dog that is more then they can handle. These owners then realize that their fluffy puppy is possibly a big liability. People become attached to their pets and can't give them up. The other problem is when people do not understand how to deal with this type of dog and through their perception of kindness they do more harm than good when it comes to the dog.
JMO FWIW,
Jim
Jim,
Thats is to true. IMHO I feel that thats when the breeder comes in. When someone comes look at your pups, the breeder should ask questions. Whats your intentions, How often will you take it out have you had any previous GSDs Not BYB? The breeder should know enough about the bloodline on that litter to kinda have an idea of what they produce to see if NOT ONLY the puppy fits the situation but the BLOODLINES also.. Recommend puppy training classes, things of that sort if the breeder feels the family isnt capable of raising this pup then the breeder shouldnt sell.. Kinda sounds mean but its one less hurt family and one less GSD in the pound because it got "out of hand" and scared someone or even hurt someone doing what the pup was bred to do.. I feel The breeder has ALOT to do with it also!
CONGRATS KELLY J! That is awesome.. It is my dream to one day beable to do that also!!!!
by Slamdunc on 21 August 2010 - 06:08
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RLHAR,
Thanks for the nice comment on Boomer. I will add that Boomer is fine around people, they just can't pet him but they can throw a ball to him all day.
I understand what you are saying. IMO, some people get a cute cuddly puppy and spoil the little fur ball. Then the dog gets older and these people have never dealt with a dog that may have a seriously sharp side. Most of the time the owner has no idea how to properly handle or correct the dog and inadvertently creates a huge problem. I have read bits and pieces of some of the threads here lately. What I gather is that there are many well meaning, loving pet owners who wound up with a dog that is more then they can handle. These owners then realize that their fluffy puppy is possibly a big liability. People become attached to their pets and can't give them up. The other problem is when people do not understand how to deal with this type of dog and through their perception of kindness they do more harm than good when it comes to the dog.
JMO FWIW,
Jim
Jim,
Thats is to true. IMHO I feel that thats when the breeder comes in. When someone comes look at your pups, the breeder should ask questions. Whats your intentions, How often will you take it out have you had any previous GSDs Not BYB? The breeder should know enough about the bloodline on that litter to kinda have an idea of what they produce to see if NOT ONLY the puppy fits the situation but the BLOODLINES also.. Recommend puppy training classes, things of that sort if the breeder feels the family isnt capable of raising this pup then the breeder shouldnt sell.. Kinda sounds mean but its one less hurt family and one less GSD in the pound because it got "out of hand" and scared someone or even hurt someone doing what the pup was bred to do.. I feel The breeder has ALOT to do with it also!
CONGRATS KELLY J! That is awesome.. It is my dream to one day beable to do that also!!!!
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