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by MVF on 02 August 2010 - 08:08
I am wondering if anyone had any opinions about Gildo. I understand he was V at the BSP, and can read his Korung, well enough. Does anyone know anything more about him? I am considering a 5-5,4 but cannot be more specific. THANKS!
by MVF on 02 August 2010 - 08:08
Here's the pdb file: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/2929.html
by Bob-O on 02 August 2010 - 10:08
As far as I am concerned the Gildo is a legend nearly of the same calibre as the Fero. I remember him as a very hard-hitting and serious dog. I should add that I also liked his physical build as he was 100% representative of the dogs I remember from my youth.
Best Regards,
Bob-O
by Q Man on 02 August 2010 - 14:08
Gildo is one of those dogs that may not have been the best on the trial field...but does offer a lot to the Breed itself...In the world of the German Shepherd you need a good mixuture of personalities and temperaments...There really aren't so many German Shepherds that offer what we need today in our breed...Gildo...Fero and a few others offers what we need and are also good producers...
When you breed dogs you must take into consideration a number of things:
* Pedigrees (Bloodlines)
* Temperaments
* Personalities
* Workability
* Hardness
* Conformation
* Health...etc...
So if you look at the dogs that are very good today for the work...you will find a good mixuture of these...Dogs like Gildo are very much needed to offer what we need in our Working Dogs...But if you aren't careful and breed lines too close together you'll get something that's not wanted...So it's a very thin line indeed...
~Bob~
When you breed dogs you must take into consideration a number of things:
* Pedigrees (Bloodlines)
* Temperaments
* Personalities
* Workability
* Hardness
* Conformation
* Health...etc...
So if you look at the dogs that are very good today for the work...you will find a good mixuture of these...Dogs like Gildo are very much needed to offer what we need in our Working Dogs...But if you aren't careful and breed lines too close together you'll get something that's not wanted...So it's a very thin line indeed...
~Bob~
by ShelleyR on 02 August 2010 - 16:08
Dear Michael,
Gildo was a very, VERY hard dog, no doubt about it. His bloodlines bring copious amounts of courage, hardness, fighting drive, and rock-solid nerves, all good things, especially with the disturbing trend of breeding sharp-to-sharp, to more sharp we see in so many breeding programs today, by people more recent to the sport, intent on breeding ball-crazy whack jobs that most people can't handle. (See: Shelter dogs) .
On the other hand, what we often saw in his progeny, the flip side of those fine qualities, was too much independence, difficulty bonding ("give me my food and get out") stubborness, ("why should I?") disinterest in obedience ("make me!") often dogs that had to be forced to do a lot of things that other dogs enjoyed. Some of the deadest obedience performances I remember in all my years in the sport were from Gildo sons and daughters. I still see the characteristics I listed above in dogs carrying even one instance of Gildo in the third generation today. Knowing how much you love that phase of the sport, even knowing you are a strong, experienced, alpha handler, I would caution you to think twice about considering so much line-breeding on that particular dog. I know I would avoid it. Too much of a good thing..?
I hope this provides a little bit of insight, answers some of your questions. Good to see you back online. I was worried about you.
Gildo was a very, VERY hard dog, no doubt about it. His bloodlines bring copious amounts of courage, hardness, fighting drive, and rock-solid nerves, all good things, especially with the disturbing trend of breeding sharp-to-sharp, to more sharp we see in so many breeding programs today, by people more recent to the sport, intent on breeding ball-crazy whack jobs that most people can't handle. (See: Shelter dogs) .
On the other hand, what we often saw in his progeny, the flip side of those fine qualities, was too much independence, difficulty bonding ("give me my food and get out") stubborness, ("why should I?") disinterest in obedience ("make me!") often dogs that had to be forced to do a lot of things that other dogs enjoyed. Some of the deadest obedience performances I remember in all my years in the sport were from Gildo sons and daughters. I still see the characteristics I listed above in dogs carrying even one instance of Gildo in the third generation today. Knowing how much you love that phase of the sport, even knowing you are a strong, experienced, alpha handler, I would caution you to think twice about considering so much line-breeding on that particular dog. I know I would avoid it. Too much of a good thing..?
I hope this provides a little bit of insight, answers some of your questions. Good to see you back online. I was worried about you.
by yellowrose of Texas on 02 August 2010 - 17:08
I have a Korbelbach son out of LAVA and of course Gilda is a contributing factor .
Hard, structurely large boned but sound and angulation is great. Healthy, STUBBORN, easy to learn, wants to learn, but has highest food drive and play drive I could ever want.
HE has a bite to want to reproduce, and he carries a bowl or pvc pipe, (HIS) all the time in mouth. His play drive is all day and non stop until he is ask to do another particular chore.
He is very attentive and focused. Very serious very serious about work. In fact , the need to work is everyday. No nerve problems, but they are non stop with energy that a Vitamin cannot give you.
Adrian Ledda worked Bear and he saw a gsd that was very well rounded on all points.
I have one of his SONS FROM A BREEDING WITH BUSECKERSCHLOSS, and Tienkerhook and Fri Guggi in great grand parent spot who produced the boy I just sold to a breeder in Dallas...Talk about DETERMINATION , and the want to please. No agression levels in any of these dogs but they do sense great need to protect and would upon command or need, be able to crush a person to bones back to dust .
GOOD health no problems and Bear is ofa good and Drakius just had prelims for his hips done last month. GOOD and waiting for his manhood.
I can truthfully say I would take a whole kennel of offspring from Bear but I am too old to handle one any longer.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/499067.html
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/614081.html
YR
Hard, structurely large boned but sound and angulation is great. Healthy, STUBBORN, easy to learn, wants to learn, but has highest food drive and play drive I could ever want.
HE has a bite to want to reproduce, and he carries a bowl or pvc pipe, (HIS) all the time in mouth. His play drive is all day and non stop until he is ask to do another particular chore.
He is very attentive and focused. Very serious very serious about work. In fact , the need to work is everyday. No nerve problems, but they are non stop with energy that a Vitamin cannot give you.
Adrian Ledda worked Bear and he saw a gsd that was very well rounded on all points.
I have one of his SONS FROM A BREEDING WITH BUSECKERSCHLOSS, and Tienkerhook and Fri Guggi in great grand parent spot who produced the boy I just sold to a breeder in Dallas...Talk about DETERMINATION , and the want to please. No agression levels in any of these dogs but they do sense great need to protect and would upon command or need, be able to crush a person to bones back to dust .
GOOD health no problems and Bear is ofa good and Drakius just had prelims for his hips done last month. GOOD and waiting for his manhood.
I can truthfully say I would take a whole kennel of offspring from Bear but I am too old to handle one any longer.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/499067.html
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/614081.html
YR
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