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by PowerHaus on 25 July 2010 - 05:07
Just curious on how others on this board would start training a new who is already titled?
I have a game plan of my own but was curious what or how others get started
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
I have a game plan of my own but was curious what or how others get started
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
by Vixen on 25 July 2010 - 13:07
Sorry, don't clearly understand your question!
Vixen
Vixen
by Sam Spade on 25 July 2010 - 14:07
Well, I wouldn't do a thing but play with the dog for at least a month. Bonding would be my main goal with the dogs you imported.
Then it should just be maintenence on these two. With their age and level of competition, etc., what are you trying to do but keep them up?
by nonacona60 on 25 July 2010 - 15:07
Lucky you to be in this postion..
If the dog is already titled, the learning process has already been accomplished. I would base my game plan on just fine tuning them..more like practicing with them, and reinforcing the knowledge they already know....
JUST MY OPINION.. GOOD LUCK!!!!
If the dog is already titled, the learning process has already been accomplished. I would base my game plan on just fine tuning them..more like practicing with them, and reinforcing the knowledge they already know....JUST MY OPINION.. GOOD LUCK!!!!
by BabyEagle4U on 25 July 2010 - 17:07
Lucky you, I'd just let it be a dog for a while and do short training sessions (dog training you). I thought about getting a male Malinois that's already trained, titled everything ... so he can teach me. If trained horses can teach a new rider how to ride, I would think a dog would could do the same with a handler. My problem is I need a trained, titled and seasoned dog that is a house and family dog first.. among other things .. hard to find with the Mals, I noticed.
I did find one in Slovenia, but I think the language would be to hard to translate by me. Really nice dog though for my situation. They sent me an hour of video with kids, livestock, other dogs, training field and titlein' .. everything was perfect, but the dog only knows that native language. They did offer me to convert the dog to english for an additional price of 3000 EURO. Kinda steep I think. Then the dog would cost me over 10 grand not including shipping. Sooo I'll pass.
Wish I could find a male in the USA like this one. Maybe one day, I'll keep looking.
Good luck with you and yours.
I did find one in Slovenia, but I think the language would be to hard to translate by me. Really nice dog though for my situation. They sent me an hour of video with kids, livestock, other dogs, training field and titlein' .. everything was perfect, but the dog only knows that native language. They did offer me to convert the dog to english for an additional price of 3000 EURO. Kinda steep I think. Then the dog would cost me over 10 grand not including shipping. Sooo I'll pass.
Wish I could find a male in the USA like this one. Maybe one day, I'll keep looking.
Good luck with you and yours.
by PowerHaus on 25 July 2010 - 17:07
I do have a game plan in place. I just am doing fun stuff right now. I know the day will come when I take him to training and the decoy says "what do you want to do or work on?" That is always where I stumble and am not sure what to say, I don't know what the dogs protection is like yet.....it's kind of like buying a new car and having it delivered to the repair shop and never having driven it and the mechanic asks, "what do you want to fix?"......my answer would be "don't know, havent driven it yet."
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
by Bhaugh on 25 July 2010 - 18:07
Babyeagle4u,
Dogs learn new languages fast. I took in a slovakian dog and had him knowing german in a couple of months. After he passed away, I forgot about that my own dog wasnt trained in german, said platz he laid dog. He picked up all the german the other dog knew.
I would recommend Marcella (Cage on the board) if I wanted to import a Mal. Although she didnt know me or the dog I was trying to register, she offered to help me and did ALL THE PAPERWORK to export the dog so I could register him here. She didnt even charge me over what she had to pay herself. Or if you still want the same dog you saw, check with her and see if she can help you.
Powerhaus: IMO the training between you and your new dogs will be bonding since now its more about getting the most from the dog and not teaching the dog the routine. Dogs that demand respect can be awesome but I have found they dont give themselves easily and YOU will have to work for it not them. Its almost like a reversal of roles. But once youve earned it , its rewarding.
by NoCurs on 26 July 2010 - 00:07
Interesting question, but the important thing, to me is this: Does the dog understand the LANGUAGE YOU ARE GOING TO TEACH HIM WITH? and I am NOT talking bout "English/German, etc". I am talking about how you actually communicate with him.
Do you marker train? Does he understand a marker? *Your* marker? Does he understand he can trust you not to jerk him if he tries something and is wrong?
Is he shock trained? Will you continue that? Does he understand the "rules" of that method, and how to "get safe"?
Is he a "competition" dog? One which will not share life with you as a companion, but only as a "sports equipment" so to speak? Is he used to this arrangement? Are you going to, instead, let him spend time as a companion? Does he understand this role?
This is all stuff to think about. Dogs are very adaptable, but they look to us to be clear. SOmetimes it doesn't hurt to set down and figure out his "job description" and how you can be really clear with him.
Have fun! : )
Do you marker train? Does he understand a marker? *Your* marker? Does he understand he can trust you not to jerk him if he tries something and is wrong?
Is he shock trained? Will you continue that? Does he understand the "rules" of that method, and how to "get safe"?
Is he a "competition" dog? One which will not share life with you as a companion, but only as a "sports equipment" so to speak? Is he used to this arrangement? Are you going to, instead, let him spend time as a companion? Does he understand this role?
This is all stuff to think about. Dogs are very adaptable, but they look to us to be clear. SOmetimes it doesn't hurt to set down and figure out his "job description" and how you can be really clear with him.
Have fun! : )
by PowerHaus on 26 July 2010 - 03:07
Diane,
I will try to be diplomatic with you in my answer so please take it that way.
First, I want to say, I personally DO NOT like you, that is from my gut and it is rarely wrong!
Second, Your questions are leading questions that I feel you DO know the answers too. I am refering to the post where you asked about a dog being "civil". You have Schutzhund titled APBT's and I assume you titled them yourself! Your questions are phrased in a way to generate a certain type of answer, the type of answer that could get a person, who works and understands how to work strong Schutzhund dogs, into trouble with tree hugger animal rights type of people. People who are ignorant in how these Schutzhund dogs should be handled, I have animal control officers in the town I live in that would be the prime example. They once told me I should tether my dogs in the yard....yea, I only tether my dog for BITE WORK and this is what is in the dogs mind set when tethered. Now, what if a kid walked into my yard and got too close to a tethered dog? I would have to kill my dog because I don't tollerate a dog who will bite a child! But, my ignorant, animal rights, tree hugging animal control officer thinks this is a good thing!
Third, If there is any truth to what people have said in regards to you "causing innocent people trouble" then I have no desire to communicate with you. I think you have an agenda other than coming here to learn or socialize. I have a friend who is not affiliated with this board but IS a APBT conformation judge, he has verified some information about you that I had asked of him and it does not put you in a good light.
Forth, I don't like the terminology you use when you know what the proper terms are. You are an articulate and educated person. You know what the proper terminology is in regards to working dogs....ie. "not to jerk him"....you know the term is to give a correction so give me a break here, your not fooling anyone.
I will answer your questions to some extent in the next post but this is the first and last time I will post, reply or communicate with you in anyway!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
I will try to be diplomatic with you in my answer so please take it that way.
First, I want to say, I personally DO NOT like you, that is from my gut and it is rarely wrong!
Second, Your questions are leading questions that I feel you DO know the answers too. I am refering to the post where you asked about a dog being "civil". You have Schutzhund titled APBT's and I assume you titled them yourself! Your questions are phrased in a way to generate a certain type of answer, the type of answer that could get a person, who works and understands how to work strong Schutzhund dogs, into trouble with tree hugger animal rights type of people. People who are ignorant in how these Schutzhund dogs should be handled, I have animal control officers in the town I live in that would be the prime example. They once told me I should tether my dogs in the yard....yea, I only tether my dog for BITE WORK and this is what is in the dogs mind set when tethered. Now, what if a kid walked into my yard and got too close to a tethered dog? I would have to kill my dog because I don't tollerate a dog who will bite a child! But, my ignorant, animal rights, tree hugging animal control officer thinks this is a good thing!
Third, If there is any truth to what people have said in regards to you "causing innocent people trouble" then I have no desire to communicate with you. I think you have an agenda other than coming here to learn or socialize. I have a friend who is not affiliated with this board but IS a APBT conformation judge, he has verified some information about you that I had asked of him and it does not put you in a good light.
Forth, I don't like the terminology you use when you know what the proper terms are. You are an articulate and educated person. You know what the proper terminology is in regards to working dogs....ie. "not to jerk him"....you know the term is to give a correction so give me a break here, your not fooling anyone.
I will answer your questions to some extent in the next post but this is the first and last time I will post, reply or communicate with you in anyway!
Vickie
www.PowerHausKennels.com
by PowerHaus on 26 July 2010 - 04:07
Interesting question, but the important thing, to me is this: Does the dog understand the LANGUAGE YOU ARE GOING TO TEACH HIM WITH? and I am NOT talking bout "English/German, etc". I am talking about how you actually communicate with him.
Yes, the dog understands. With most competitors the language to the dog is basically universal.
Do you marker train? Does he understand a marker? *Your* marker?
Yes, I marker train, and yes, he understands the marker, MY marker. I have a couple different markers for a couple of different exercises and he understands them both. However, I DO NOT clicker train, the markers I use are only audible to me and the dog on the trial field.
Does he understand he can trust you not to jerk him if he tries something and is wrong?
The term "jerk" inflames me....you know it should be called a correction. I do give corrections when and only when the dog chooses to do the wrong thing or chooses not to do what I ask of him. I never correct my dog for not knowing clearly what I am asking of him.....that would be the equivalent to spanking a child for not writing his name when you haven't taught him the alphabet! On a new dog or a young green dog that is learning to work for me I will with hold the reward until the behavior I am asking is correct. When the new/green dog learns the behavior I am asking WITHOUT A DOUBT and then chooses not to do it correctly he will get a correction. Corrections also come in other forms other than "jerking" the dog! I believe that when my dog is issued a correction for doing something incorrectly it is just as important for him to receive an amount of praise or reward for the correct behaior that excedes the amount of correction. The praise or reward MUST be greater than the correction......MUST!
Is he shock trained? Will you continue that? Does he understand the "rules" of that method, and how to "get safe"?
I do not know if he is shock trained, shock collars are not legal in Germany. He might be and he might not be.
Is he a "competition" dog? One which will not share life with you as a companion, but only as a "sports equipment" so to speak? Is he used to this arrangement? Are you going to, instead, let him spend time as a companion? Does he understand this role?
Yes, he is a competition dog. I take it you automatically assume that a competiton dog is a negative thing by your second question. Just because a dog is a competition dog does not mean that he excluded from my life and un-loved. My competition dog is always first and most importantly my loved companion, my team mate. I compete because I enjoy the experience I am not a cut throat competitior and when it becomes not fun any more for the dog or myself then we go home and love life. My last competition competed in 3 National Championships and was 4th place at our Regional Championship(qualified for Nationals 4 times) The last time he qualified for Nationals I did not take him, he was ready to retire....he was with me litterally 24/7.....he was my heart and soul and it LITTERALY about killed me to loose him....I felt I had nothing else to live for. That was a dark time in my personal life but now, I am making a come back, so to speak. I&
Yes, the dog understands. With most competitors the language to the dog is basically universal.
Do you marker train? Does he understand a marker? *Your* marker?
Yes, I marker train, and yes, he understands the marker, MY marker. I have a couple different markers for a couple of different exercises and he understands them both. However, I DO NOT clicker train, the markers I use are only audible to me and the dog on the trial field.
Does he understand he can trust you not to jerk him if he tries something and is wrong?
The term "jerk" inflames me....you know it should be called a correction. I do give corrections when and only when the dog chooses to do the wrong thing or chooses not to do what I ask of him. I never correct my dog for not knowing clearly what I am asking of him.....that would be the equivalent to spanking a child for not writing his name when you haven't taught him the alphabet! On a new dog or a young green dog that is learning to work for me I will with hold the reward until the behavior I am asking is correct. When the new/green dog learns the behavior I am asking WITHOUT A DOUBT and then chooses not to do it correctly he will get a correction. Corrections also come in other forms other than "jerking" the dog! I believe that when my dog is issued a correction for doing something incorrectly it is just as important for him to receive an amount of praise or reward for the correct behaior that excedes the amount of correction. The praise or reward MUST be greater than the correction......MUST!
Is he shock trained? Will you continue that? Does he understand the "rules" of that method, and how to "get safe"?
I do not know if he is shock trained, shock collars are not legal in Germany. He might be and he might not be.
Is he a "competition" dog? One which will not share life with you as a companion, but only as a "sports equipment" so to speak? Is he used to this arrangement? Are you going to, instead, let him spend time as a companion? Does he understand this role?
Yes, he is a competition dog. I take it you automatically assume that a competiton dog is a negative thing by your second question. Just because a dog is a competition dog does not mean that he excluded from my life and un-loved. My competition dog is always first and most importantly my loved companion, my team mate. I compete because I enjoy the experience I am not a cut throat competitior and when it becomes not fun any more for the dog or myself then we go home and love life. My last competition competed in 3 National Championships and was 4th place at our Regional Championship(qualified for Nationals 4 times) The last time he qualified for Nationals I did not take him, he was ready to retire....he was with me litterally 24/7.....he was my heart and soul and it LITTERALY about killed me to loose him....I felt I had nothing else to live for. That was a dark time in my personal life but now, I am making a come back, so to speak. I&
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