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by Jyotisdad on 13 April 2010 - 12:04
I have checked out the ingredients and, to me anyway, some are very suspect, I have entered just three of the main and more expensive ones, and have not given the product names, many have already been talked about on the site. What are your thoughts on the following?
1. Ground yellow corn, poultry by-product meal, corn gluten meal, soybean meal, beef tallow preserved with mixed-tocopherols , brewers rice, dicalcium phosphate, calcium carbonate.
2. Ground yellow corn, meat and bone meal, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, animal fat (preserved with BHA/BHT), wheat mill run, natural poultry flavour, rice, salt.
3. Ground yellow corn, poultry by-product meal, corn gluten meal, soybean meal, beef tallow preserved with mixed-tocopherols , brewers rice, dicalcium phosphate, calcium carbonate
Explanation:
Meat by-products: Pet grade meat by-products consist of organs and parts either not desired, or condemned, for human consumption. This can include bones, blood, intestines, lungs, ligaments, heads, feet, and feathers.
Corn: Corn products are difficult for dogs to digest.
Food Fragments: Lower cost by-products of another food manufacturing process. Examples include wheat bran and brewers rice (a waste product of the alcohol industry).
Meat and bone meal: "Meat and bone meal" and "beef and bone meal" are inexpensive sources of animal protein. The protein in a meal containing a large amount of bone may be poorly digestible and fail to provide adequate nutrition.
Animal Fat: Animal fat is a "generic" fat source that is most often made up of rendered animal fat, restaurant grease, or other oils too rancid or deemed inedible for humans. Look for a named fat source, such as poultry or chicken fat that is naturally preserved.
Chemical Preservatives: Chemical preservatives include butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA), butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT), propyl gallate, propylene glycol (also used as a less-toxic version of automotive antifreeze), and ethoxyquin. BHA, BHT, and ethoxyquin are potentially cancer-causing agents. The long term build-up of these chemicals (that may be eaten every day for the life of your pet!) has not been thoroughly studied and may ultimately be harmful.
Sweeteners: Sweeteners such as corn syrup, sugar, and cane molasses are usually added to lower quality foods to increase their appeal. Dietary sugars can aggravate health problems, including diabetes.
Beef Tallow: A low quality fat product.
Am I just being over critical? Suggestions please (In a nice way of course!)
by amysavesjacks on 14 April 2010 - 14:04
Corn, Gluten, Wheat, By-Products, etc...... are all fillers. By far the worst I have seen is "Beneful" in which the FIRST ingredient is CORN. You should be looking for a food in which the first ingredient is MEAT. The protein level should be sufficient for your dogs age/activity level. The protein source should be one that does not cause your dog stomach upset or allergies. There are alot of GOOD foods out there... HERE IS AN EXCELLENT WAY TO "GRADE" YOUR DOG FOOD...
http://evergreenholisticvet.com/Documents/food.pdf
BELOW is a comparison of ingredients of two dog foods. The first one is Beneful (one I do NOT recommend). The second is TASTE OF THE WILD (one I really like). Grade them on the above grading sheet and you will get the idea.
BENEFUL INGREDIENTS (NOT RECOMMENDED): Ground yellow corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, whole wheat flour, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), rice flour, beef, soy flour, sugar, propylene glycol, meat and bone meal, tricalcium phosphate, phosphoric acid, salt, water, animal digest, sorbic acid (a preservative), potassium chloride, dried carrots, dried peas, calcium propionate (a preservative), L-Lysine monohydrochloride, choline chloride, added color (Red 40, Yellow 5, Yellow 6, Blue 2), DL-Methionine, Vitamin E supplement, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium carbonate, copper sulfate, Vitamin B-12 supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, garlic oil, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin D-3 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite.
TASTE OF THE WILD "HIGH PRAIRIE CANINE FORMULA (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED): Bison, lamb meal, chicken meal, egg product, sweet potatoes, peas, potatoes, canola oil, roasted bison, roasted venison, natural flavor, tomato pomace, ocean fish meal, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca schidigera extract, dried fermentation products of Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus casei and Lactobacillus plantarum, dried Trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
Have a great day!
~Amy
by Kimmelot on 14 April 2010 - 15:04
by amysavesjacks on 14 April 2010 - 18:04
by gsm44 on 14 April 2010 - 20:04
Ingredients
Cereals, Meat and animal derivatives (Minimum 4% fresh meat in the soft moist kernel, minimum 4% chicken in the red and brown kernels), Vegetable protein extracts, Oils and fats, Derivatives of vegetable origin (0.5% beet pulp in the red and brown kernels), Various sugars, Minerals, Vegetables (minimum 4% vegetables in the green and yellow kernels). With antioxidants, coloured with and preserved with EC additives.
Typical Analysis
Protein 23.0%
Fat 10.0%
Ash 6.5%
Fibre 3.0%
Calcium 1.2%
Vitamin A 12,000 IU/kg
Vitamin D3 800 IU/kg
Vitamin E 60mg/kg
Copper (as copper sulphate) 18mg/kg
Iron (as iron sulphate) 23.0% 215mg/kg
by GSDXephyr on 14 April 2010 - 23:04
Heather
by GSDalways on 15 April 2010 - 00:04
Gsmm44...It's a terrible food IMO!! 
Cereals as the first ingredient, animal derivatives, colours, sugars and EC additives.
I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
Sounds very much like Bakers Complete!! 
Jyotisdad... I wouldn't be happy to use food 1,2,or 3 because of the chemical preservatives, added salt and the amount of animal by products and the fact corn is the first ingredient on the list. You aren't being over critical, you are doing the right thing by seeking out the best food possible for your dog. 
by Jyotisdad on 15 April 2010 - 07:04
Unfortunately where I now live the best foods are not readily available (India), on the positive side however the good red meat and chicken are plentiful and also comparatively not as expensive as in the UK or the US.
I have made the decision, (although I am open to alternatives), to use minced red meat mixed with minced chicken and as roughage mixed with one of the better brands commercially available (that does not contain corn or unidentifiable chemical preservatives). The down side however is, it is as difficult to find a good dog food here as it is to find a non corrupt politician.
I on the other hand am very honest, here; I have no competition in that field.
Thanks again.
by GSDalways on 15 April 2010 - 09:04
by Jyotisdad on 15 April 2010 - 10:04
Thank you GSDalways, it seems like a lot of different meals, I wonder if it is too much variance. However I shall try it. Looks as if she will eat better than I do?
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