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by Red Sable on 09 June 2010 - 22:06
Granted, 17 is not a child in a dogs eyes, but still, the fact that he did it without even a warning is what bothers me, not once but twice.
On the other hand he is only 15 months old, sooooo, I dunno.
I think having an experienced trainer look at him is the best idea, so I am glad you are going to have that done. Certainly don't go by what we say, as we are not there and do not know your dog. All the best, and please let us know what the trainer says, I really would like to know.
by beetree on 09 June 2010 - 23:06
He used to come over and do homework and loved rough housing with the dog. Then one time, I don't know why, but I noticed the "switch". I casually said to my friend, "You know what? If you made a move towards me right now, my dog will attack you." In total disbelief, he said, "No way, your dog and I are friends!", and then he made a move to hug the dog. Well, I am ashamed to say how fast the blood drained from my friends face when in the next seconds all he saw were teeth. I was able to call the dog off before any real damage had been done. Thank goodness, because it was a stupid thing I did!
So it was a mixed blessing that the dog got hit by a car not too long after that... yep, we let the dogs roam back then. I can look back now and say with confidence that this dog had lines that were genetically predisposed to protection and aggression. He was a younger dog if I remember, not more than three probably. Just thought I'd share this experience and my 2 cents. I wouldn't trust that dog with your daughter, no sireee
by NoCurs on 09 June 2010 - 23:06
by yoshy on 09 June 2010 - 23:06
So how can you say with confidence the dogs lineage was such? Just curious.
Also, you noticed a "switch"- then that is simply a handler/owner issue that the friend was bitten- the responsibility of that act does not fall on the dog in my eyes but the ignorance in which the situation was handled.
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Why is it dog owners do not take resposibility for there dogs or there actions any longer?
its always the dogs fault and the dog showed no signs, or unprovoked, etc........ NEVER the owners neglect,ignorance, failure as the owner!!!!!!!!
Poor pupsy wupsy doesnt need to be trained appropriatly, has no structure in the home, coddled when afriad, or allowed to resource gaurd at will, or control space at will, poor training, etc......way on down the line. and then they wonder why someone was bitten or the dog shows aggression towards them. and say it was without cause of warning. Complete BS im sorry. It baffels me how many clients as well as so called enthusiasts and so called trainers allow such things to happen and then wonder why their dog acts out. 99% of issues in dogs are owner handler/enviromentally created period. All of which are learned/conditioned behaviors. And anything that can be learned/conditioned can also be unlearned/re-conditioned by showing the dog how to approriatly conduct itself in any scenario. Even most of the percentage of dogs whom have a genetic predisposition to be a certain manorism can be taught and managed to live a normal life in most cases with very high success rate.Especially the earlier you catch it and address it!
Train the dog and the family to appropriately live together in a rewarding coexistance- or dont own a dog period regardless of breed!
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OP,
As already stated its about management- There is no majic pixy dust to FIX the problem. However there are methods in which will allow you to appropriately manage your dog and extinguish the dogs desire to act inapproiatly over time. It takes hard work and time which will test your level of commitment and dedication to your dog!
by GSDfan on 10 June 2010 - 00:06
I am sorry I don't live in the area to give you recommendations hopefully someone who lives in Fla can help. I searched on the internet and looked over a few in your area and this one sounded ok. Like I said I don't personally know anything about them...just giving you a suggestion that I would check into so you don't go to a petco type trainer for dealing with this issue. http://nexushausk9services.com/aboutus.html
You CANNOT use the "bunny hugger" approach here, your dog is trying to bite your daughter!! If you need to snach the dog up by his throat till his feet are off the floor then pin him to the ground to put him in his place I would do it in a heartbeat if any of my dogs tried to curl their lip at my kid. Don't go to a knife fight with a pool noodle!!
Step one is you make the rules and he must follow them (some posters made good suggestions for minor things around the house to change), but you will need to learn how to effectively counter his aggression should he attempt to bite again, most importantly letting him know it will NOT be tolerated.
There is a big difference between beating the dog attempting to injure and manhandling to put him in his place!!
Prong collars often stimulate the dog further into aggression, with this level of aggression prong corrections can be a big mistake.
Also, your daughter is an adult...physically she should be more than capable of "putting him in his place", but you need to be decisive, quick, confident, assertive and consistent...which, in addition to learning how your dog got to this point and making changes.... is why you need a trainers help.
by beetree on 10 June 2010 - 02:06
I certainly agree with you that the dog had no "proper" training. Yet, there was a "switch" to this dog that was unobserved by most people. I happen to be attuned and observant to most animals, while not claiming to be a professional. I can say what I say because of hindsight, and experiences gained in later years. You could ask me what it was I noticed, and then tell me I'm full of it, if you still feel that way.
by NoCurs on 10 June 2010 - 02:06
Reminds me of the case of the Chesapeake Bay Retriever that savaged the wife so badly she died. The man of the house returned from the hospital to "put him in his place" so to speak and the Chessie killed him for good measure.
A house dog of ANY breed has no business attacking family members. Period. And I may be weird, but I don't believe the average dog owner should have to beat hell or snatch hell or shock hell or shake hell out of their dog to make sure it doesn't attack their kid. Who wants to do that?
This is the problem when people confuse "strong" with "unsound" in my opinion. This was not an inhibited little snap. This was a multiple bite attack. If these guys want to keep their dog, fine - but they must understand the dog is not sound and treat it appropriately. And that means NOT ever letting it have access to innocent people.
by yoshy on 10 June 2010 - 02:06
beetree-
not sayin there was no "switch" as you state. dont know you or the dog. Simply was stating that this is something that the principle owner or handler should have either been notified of or noticed prior to the incidents and or addressed quickly there after the incident occured with the help of a professional if the principle handler didnt possess the skill set to notice it prior to incident or adress the incident sufficiently after the first offense.
""""I can look back now and say with confidence that this dog had lines that were genetically predisposed to protection and aggression. """""
i am simply curious how you knew his lines prediposed him to aggression- being you didnt know his sire or dam or extended generations>? or was that a typo?
by Jyl on 10 June 2010 - 05:06
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