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by LAVK-9 on 12 May 2010 - 19:05
Could someone please explain to me why tracking can't be done the when teaching a dog to fetch a dumbbell? A friend of mine in town that trains reads Koeher way to train and follows his methods. She had to stop taking the tracking class I was teaching cause she was trying to teach her dog to fetch the dumbbell.
Please explain it cause she tried but it seemed that she didn't really understand it to be able to explain it cause I have done both at the same time and never had any issues.
Thanks in advance
Please explain it cause she tried but it seemed that she didn't really understand it to be able to explain it cause I have done both at the same time and never had any issues.
Thanks in advance
by gagsd4 on 12 May 2010 - 21:05
Don't know about Koehler method in particular, but I know that people who use a ton of compulsion when teaching the dumbbell/retrieve only do that one thing because the dog is too stressed to do anything else during that period.
---Mary
---Mary
by yoshy on 12 May 2010 - 22:05
buy koehlers books. he has multiple good books out. he was a pioneer and his methodolgies have trained over 3.5 million dogs in service around the world. not to say his methods arent without flaw but they are effective. If you carefully digest his words and think with an open mind you will find it helpful in many ways even if you dont use his methods. He carefully designed a protocol to follow that laid the skills a dog needed to learn into a systematic sequence. each skill is compounded on by another and if you deviate or change things in any given methodolgy you will either fail end with poor results. so give his books a read they can be found cheap on amazon.
by TessJ10 on 12 May 2010 - 23:05
The Koehler retrieve is much less compulsion than a lot of SchH people teach. Koehler uses tiny progress steps, many days at each of these steps, then after that proofing with distraction at every one of the tiny steps, that retrieving becomes an ingrained habit long before corrections are administered.
by TessJ10 on 12 May 2010 - 23:05
"He stated that no other training should occur diruring the force fetch."
yoshy, where did he say that? In his Open Obedience book he has you start the retrieve "interspersed with other exercises and short breaks."
yoshy, where did he say that? In his Open Obedience book he has you start the retrieve "interspersed with other exercises and short breaks."
by VonIsengard on 13 May 2010 - 02:05
Thats sounds pretty silly to me. I've always been working my dogs on other things when teaching a dog to retreive, and while the way I do it is less harsh than Koehler I do not do a strictly motivational retrieve. It's never been a problem.
by LAVK-9 on 13 May 2010 - 03:05
Yea I know what you mean Kelly. I have always done both together and never had a problem. Never had it take 3 months to train a dog to fetch a dumbbell. My friend still is having problems with this Dobe (reminds me of Nykira..would be easy to train to fetch) she is training. She stopped tracking cause it had something to do with the sent descrimination of the dumbbell? Yea I don't get it.I tried to help but she is stuck in one way even though it isn't working. Kinda feel bad for the dog.This method has been too harsh for this dog.Also there is no bond with the dog.
by VonIsengard on 13 May 2010 - 03:05
...you mean utility articles? Why would your friend worry about that when her dog can't fetch yet? Oy vey.
by LAVK-9 on 13 May 2010 - 04:05
No articles on the track yet.She didn't get that far with my tracking class. The dumbbell work isn't consistant.The dog will beline for a pile of horse crap instead of fetch the dumbbell. There are some gapps in the training.She has been training her for 7 months and can't trust her off leash.She slapped a e-collar on her though and then she can have her off leash. My view there isn't enough consistancy in the on leash to go for the off leash.
by darylehret on 13 May 2010 - 11:05
Ha ha. Completely irrelevant here, but my "superdog" learned all of his obedience off leash. Only used it in tracking and protection.
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