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by steve1 on 11 May 2010 - 07:05
Hi
As many of you know i attend a lot of Sch trials during the course of a year, and Belgium being such a small country you get to know people and there dogs pretty well, Now last year there were a few very promising YOUNG Dogs up and Coming and i high light the young bit for they were then 2-3 years old and they gained there ScH titles quickly, But this is the bit which is too be debated on
Those same Dogs when entered in a High Predigest Competition or Competitions this Spring have failed to come on in fact i notice a couple going backwards and losing there way they cannot take the pressure which goes with the Top Trials where no favours are ever given, every point is in fact earned twice that is how it is, for these competitions are to find the best Belgian Team for this years WUSV
Why have some of these Dogs not matured and improved but gone backwards. I have my theories as to why this has happened but it is unfair of me to voice it yet until you Guys answer, possibly some will think the same as i do, some will come up with different ideas.
I hope this stays a Calm Thread it is not to find out how much we all know about the sport, but to get an idea of perhaps it not happening to one of us Guys with our young Dogs in the Future, if we can come up with Why' it will stand us all in good stead later on i think
Everyone is welcome to reply regardless of whether they are interested in the Sport or how much they do or do not know, it is not about knowledge of one Guy against the other it is to find out why these young Dogs have not progessed since the Winter break, but of course they have moved up several levels in Competition
Steve1
by nonacona60 on 11 May 2010 - 08:05
by YogieBear on 11 May 2010 - 12:05
Isn't this statement also true of young "human" atheletes that start at a young age and are very promising - get to the big leagues and loose their way for one reason or another. Alot of them can't handle the stress either.
Maturity does say alot for both species.
But Nona is right - it could be a number of things - but I have found it is a hurry up and get them titled with alot of people - and I have seen alot of dogs that have a SchH3 title - that can't even run blinds.
YogieBear
by DebiSue on 11 May 2010 - 13:05
by richram on 11 May 2010 - 14:05
First of all, I would like to thank you and Hodie for your insights and comments.They are always interesting and useful.
I have been involved in Schutzhund and breeding for twenty years. I have evolved as a trainer and a breeder. Currently, I have four dogs I'm training for the sport. I love each of them equally. They are all different. So, I have to adapt my training to suit the dog.
My criteria and the right way to go for me is:
1. A very good pedigree That has the traits I'm looking for.
2. TOTALLY bond with the dog.
3. Always keep the dog's drives and power strong and yet clear in the head.
4. My dogs come out on the field in drive and wanting to work with me. It's a team sport!
5. We both enjoy training.
Have fun with your dogs!
My dogs: Aymee Vom Ausland
Euros Vom Haus Miller
Jetta Vom Geistwasser
Luger Von Armierung Haus II
I am doing 2 BH's on the 21st.
by TessJ10 on 11 May 2010 - 14:05
As with any building, if you skimp on the foundation, cracks are going to show later. I think this is what happened.
by poseidon on 11 May 2010 - 15:05
I totally agree that insufficient foundation work and maturity in itself will likely pose a downfall for most young and promising dogs. As Tess so rightly puts it “if you skimp on the foundation, cracks are going to show later” This also lead me to believe that training without or the lack of proofing will evidently show whether the dog has learnt what is expected of it.
As for maturity, this is something within the individual dog. Here, I would consider enviromental factors like different helpers and different fields in order to ascertain if the dog is able to handle stress particularly in the protection phase.
I also like the point richram mentioned "Always keep the dog's drives and power strong and yet clear in the head."
by BlackthornGSD on 11 May 2010 - 16:05
An older dog has much more depth of experience to handle the control from the handler while maintaining the power and drive in all phases of work.
by darylehret on 11 May 2010 - 16:05
I've never seen anyone mention the handler's ability to withstand the pressures of working in higher levels, which I would guess could also affect the dog's performance. I think there could be lots of compounding reasons also, but guess that strong foundation is of key importance.
by Sunsilver on 11 May 2010 - 16:05
It would be interesting to find out if young dogs do better with handlers who are used to this level of competition. But then, the 'big name' handlers would probably have better dogs to start with.
Lots of factors to consider here. Definitely building a good foundation with a young dog, and not rushing its training is very important.
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