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by barbnjason on 03 May 2010 - 15:05

I am wondering how do I read the linebreeding information on database for instance where it says 5,5 what does that mean?
also wonder how much linebreeding is generally considered acceptable in a pedigree? I see some with none and others with 5 or 6 different dogs that were linebred on.

Can anyone tell me how to find out what the different titles mean?
I understand Sch titles pretty much but what about IPO, FH, BSP etc.

VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 03 May 2010 - 15:05

Here is a great list explaining every title under the sun: www.justfurkids.com/dog_titles.html

BSP = Bundessiegerprofung, the national schutzhund championship in Germany
BSZS= Bundessiegerzuchtshau, the natioona conformation championship in Germany
WUSV= the world schutzhund championship

When you look at linebreeding, the number indicated what generation the named dog appears in and how many times. For example, 4,5-5 means one dog appears in the fourth and fifth generation on one parents side, and fifth generation in the other parent.

Yes, linebreeding is an acceptable tool for for condensing genetics of a desired dog but can also bring out negative traits, so one should really understands the strengths and weaknesses of the dog they linebreed on. At some point outcrossing should be done to bring in "fresh blood", as it were. 

by barbnjason on 03 May 2010 - 15:05

Thanks KCzaja vry helpful!

VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 03 May 2010 - 15:05

Bear in mind outcrossing is only my personal opinion. Many, many excellent dogs go back for decades with no break in linebreeding.  It is difficult in the US if you have a bitch going back on a few particular dogs to find an outcross sometimes.

inc

by inc on 03 May 2010 - 23:05

This is a very good topic. I always have a lot of questions on this. Many small breeders repeat breeding with a male and female but why big breeders wont do it ? When breeding.... what needs to be checked ? Is there a particular way to do it ?

For example ,.... Vegas was bred to Inez vom Prinzessin and produced Bojan. Now they know this breeding produced a top quality dog. Why wouldnt they repeat it again and try to get the same kind of traits ? What's the idea behind it ?

Here is some info that I found online. http://gsdv.vn/forum/showthread.php?p=622

When they use line breeding, when they use in breeding and when they use out breeding ?

I read Ursus or Dux free dogs are used to breed with Quantum lines etc to produce type etc. Like this are there any more combinations that new guys can learn about  ?

Thanks

by B.Andersen on 04 May 2010 - 02:05

Lime breeding IMO is a valuable practice. You will get predictable results and standard litters if done correctly . Outcrossing brings vigor back in. Both should be used in breeding. IPO is the same as Sch Fh are tracking titles.

by beast on 04 May 2010 - 02:05

 Well I suppose "lime breeding" is probably alot better then "lemon breeding". LOL just kidding, B.Anderson.....I  had a giggle when I saw your typo and thought I would bug ya' a bit.   :)

steve1

by steve1 on 04 May 2010 - 05:05

One thing i may add to the Above, You can Line Breed for many generations, When a breeder feels it is time to bring in a cross to add Vigour to the Line, there are two ways you can do this
1  -- You can bring in the cross from a Dog which is already a product bred from Crossed Dogs without any near ancestors for generations
Or
2 -  You can bring in a cross of a Dog which is already bred from a Line Bred Family the same as your own dog 

Myself i favour No 2 cross because the Dog will have enhanced its good Qualities through the selection and Line Breeding, so therefore you can say the Puppies of this cross would be from a Hybrid cross
Steve1





 


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