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by bazza on 01 May 2010 - 12:05

I am interested in peoples opinions on the correct terminology of what is commonly called the hock. I have always as far back as I can remember always believed the hock was actually a joint, the area below this hock joint being the rear pastern. Now I know in general most people refer to the rear pastern as the hock, myself included, as it is easier than having to explain the correct terminology to those who are not familiar with the term rear pastern. If anyone has Dr Malcolm Willis's book THE GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG, A genetic history of the breed and turns to page 34 under hindquarters you will read a paragraph explaining the incorrect use of the word hock. In fact if you type into your search box REAR PASTERNS in dogs you will find several referenced to this term. I am debating this issue with a user in the LATEST COMMENTS section where he/she states " THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS REAR PASTERNS" which is totally wrong. Or maybe Dr Willis, myself and many many more have it wrong, I am looking for opinions and does anyone else ever use this term or indeed has anyone else ever heard this term.  I have brought this topic here as it is unfair to debate this on the pedigree page of a dog I commented on having admirable short strong looking rear pasterns.

GSDtravels

by GSDtravels on 01 May 2010 - 13:05

The hock is the joint and what would be the "foot" on a human is the pastern in a dog.  You are correct.


by crhuerta on 01 May 2010 - 13:05

Bazza....you are correct.
The hardest thing is to "explain" the rear & it's angles to most people....(stifle length, curve, hock..etc..etc..)...I think alot gets lost in translation and understanding.
Robin

by bazza on 01 May 2010 - 13:05

Thank you both for your comment. I know it is not a commonly used term, but to suggest there is no such thing is incorrect and I just needed it clarified so thanks again.

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 01 May 2010 - 14:05

The point of the hock is the equivalent of the human ankle/heel joint. The section below that is the equivalent of the human metatarsal bones, the bones that make up the foot. The foot is the equivalent of our toes, each of which has 3 bones: distal, medial and proximal phalanges. The exception is the human big toe, which has 2 bones. The big toe is equivalent to rear dew claws, and is usually absent in the dog. The dew claw on the front foot is analogous to our thumb. The claws are equivalent to our fingernails, and actually have a small bone inside them, the distal phalanx.

I couldn't find a diagram for the hind foot (my anatomy atlas has, unfortunately, already been packed for moving) but here's one of the front foot, comparing it to the human hand: hippie.nu/~unicorn/tut/xhtml-chunked/ch03.html#basics-animal-canines-legspaws  The mauve-coloured bones represent the front pastern in the dog, and are equivalent to the bones just below the hock joint in the hind leg. In the front leg (or hand) they are called metacarpals. In the rear leg, they are called metatarsals.* This proves what Bazza is saying: this area could be referred to as the rear pastern.

Horses have pasterns in the rear: why shouldn't dogs? 


(* if you ever took Latin, you'll know that carpus refers to the wrist, tarsus to the heel.)

by bazza on 01 May 2010 - 14:05

Thank you Sunsilver, I could just never have explained it like you,lol.

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 01 May 2010 - 14:05

Hey, that biology degree has to be good for SOMETHING! 

by bazza on 01 May 2010 - 15:05

Biology degree? I'll need to keep that in mind when someone gets to scientific for me, I'll call on Sunsilver, deal?? lol.

by shri on 01 May 2010 - 15:05

  Hello Everybody,
I am the New owner of the Dog on which all these comments began fortunately I am a Doctor by Profession (Human Gynecologist) so may be I will try to clear the confusion.The HOCK is the Calcano-tibiofibular Joint ,it is common practice in some parts of World that  the whole hind below this joint up to the paws is called Hock (Even in India we call it the Hocks)some refer to this as Rear pasterns.Both terminologies are acceptable.It is just like saying specifically my Heel is paining or some one would say my foot is painingThe rear pastern is made up of Calcaneus+ Tarsus+ Metatarsals bones.The phalanges form the paws.Thanks for opening this thread in message board.I think its personal choice whether a person wants to call it Hocks or Rear Pasterns.BTW Thanks for admiring my Dogs Rear pasterns or Hocks they are really short and very firm.

by Abuto on 01 May 2010 - 16:05

dear bazza,

I am not agree with your statements. Hock is not the exact area of joint.
I am uploading one image of breed standard may be its helpful to you to understand the actual anatomy of gsd.
I hope it will clear all your doubts.








 


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