Opinions on this pedigree. - Page 1

this young lady has been bred what......3 times?  as i recall in another thread, her pedigree showed breedings to at least 2 other dogs which no longer appear under her progeny.  at that time, i pm'd you in regards to the unsuitability of those studs for her.  why would you want to turn around and do this to her again?  she has a wonderful pedigree.  give her a chance to prove it.  breeding her to an unsuitable male is just not fair to her.  while there may be nothing wrong with him, he is not the right dog for her.  what would you get for pups from this breeding?  how many people would even be willing to take a chance on a pup from this breeding?  ultimately, you will do as you choose, but you asked for opinions on this pedigree and this is mine:
if you feel you must breed her, at least use a male that is worthy of her pedigree.  the world does not need more shelter dogs.
pjp

I am glad you brought it to my attention about her progeny not being listed any longer. I have no idea what happened to them. I have been having problems accessing my pedigrees and editing them. I get a message saying they were locked by the owner, but I am the owner and never locked any of them. I responded on a post made to Oli by someone else, but thats it. Not sure whats up with that. I can assure you, I never deleted her progeny.

Now in your opinion, what would be a good line to take her too. I assume you must be a working line breeder. I feel indifferent to the working line or showline, as I feel they both have good things to contribute to the breed.

What makes you think the puppies produced from such a breeding would end up in shelters? Isn't that kinda jumping to conclusions. But as stated, it is your opinion, and I respect it. Just asking what makes you think that? I did not say I was doing that breeding but asked for opinions only like, "Its a good one or not a good one". What would not be good or what would be good.  I was not expecting  for someone to make it sound like I was not responsible and my puppies would end up in shelters. I don't think that was a fair statement...

My question is why are you breeding her without having her hips & elbows cleared? To a stud that also doesn't have hip/elbow cleared? What is the big hurry? If the dogs DO have them done, then please post those results in their pedigrees.

That's right, you asked for our opinions. I was simply curious why you would even consider breeding two dogs that are not hip/elbow certified.
My personal opinion would be not to breed either of them, until they have the PROPER health clearances & some proof of working ability & stable temperament.

Good Night everyone.... Im going to bed.... Guess this night air is too much for me to handle. I'm outside on laptop enjoying the cool southern night.  Must not be use to this anymore.. Nite Nite.....

Hope I get on here in the morning and get some answers and not assumptions....or puppies on the way from this breeding that I never said I WAS doing.....

As far as looks go, they would make some beautiful babies.  If they have good cooperative temperaments, even better.

I think that bringing together showlines and working lines is the future.  That is, if you think the perfect marriage of form and function is a good thing.  I do think it's a good thing. 

I would like to see more dogs in the world like Marko Cellerland and the famous Lierberg B litter.  I would also like to see a beautiful sable Sieger, maybe a black Sieger. 

I would like to see Showlines who are not ridiculed for their faux titles.

Many pets who end up in shelters are usually "problems" due to over the top prey drive.  You know what I mean, dogs who chase their tails in the kennel because they are so hyper.  The type of dog who lives in a kennel unless they are "working".

More seriously, hips and elbows!  I did not make any assumptions.  I went to the OFA database.  There is one Ruytershof dog (Pierre Two Door) on the OFA database and no Cromontana dogs.

Unless the names are wrong or misspelled, there is no OFA on either dog.  I would recommend certifying both of them before breeding.

Michele

 i would not breed them two together . i would breed the female to to working lines not show!