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by judron55 on 16 March 2010 - 11:03
Scenario: 18 month old male....has bitten a sleeve 3 times in prey. How would you start this dog in protection for the sport of schutzhund! He is not afraid of body contact.....has nice grips...he has never been worked by a stranger....has never done a courage test. At 18 months, what are the things you would want this male to show? I'm sure he'll bark....!
by Bob McKown on 16 March 2010 - 12:03
This is a tough one to answer with the info given,but for my self I guess I,d like to see how he responds to a new helper with out a sleeve see how he reacts to just the man with no distractions not a bunch of heavy handed stuff just prey movements and see how the dog reacts to it, before I would start working protection things Does he look for a sleeve or toy? does he focus on the man to initiate movement I,d definitely want to see how he had been worked prier to myself.
Before i,d do any protection work with him I,d need to know what gets him off to begin with what makes him tick.
by Mystere on 16 March 2010 - 17:03
Ron,
Did anyone do "puppy bite-work" with the dog previously? I always use rag and toy to teach the puppies to bark to make the prey move, countering, and pulling back. Not to mention lots of tug of war. I also give them toys specifically for them to have "fights" with to see how much they want to dominate a toy about as big, or bigger than they are. I start that with the baby puppies and it continues until they start working with a helper.
What I would want to see at 18 months is that the dog likes the fight. I would want to see a lot of confidence that comes through as the pup wanting to engage the helper and kick his ass.
The more of a fight he gets, the more he likes it.
Did anyone do "puppy bite-work" with the dog previously? I always use rag and toy to teach the puppies to bark to make the prey move, countering, and pulling back. Not to mention lots of tug of war. I also give them toys specifically for them to have "fights" with to see how much they want to dominate a toy about as big, or bigger than they are. I start that with the baby puppies and it continues until they start working with a helper.
What I would want to see at 18 months is that the dog likes the fight. I would want to see a lot of confidence that comes through as the pup wanting to engage the helper and kick his ass.
The more of a fight he gets, the more he likes it.by Bob McKown on 16 March 2010 - 17:03
Mystere:
I like to work with the puppies personely as maiking them bark at the man first then after the barking the helper produces the rag the helper must be very animated and know how to make the puppy feel strong. after that ponit then i let the helper produce the rag and play with the pups that way.
I like to work with the puppies personely as maiking them bark at the man first then after the barking the helper produces the rag the helper must be very animated and know how to make the puppy feel strong. after that ponit then i let the helper produce the rag and play with the pups that way.
by Michigantrainer on 16 March 2010 - 17:03
You need to test him without equipment, with a person he does not know. If you have not done this before send me an email I will send you what I have written. Once the dog is tested then you can move on to balancing the defense and prey while working your dog. I have tested SCH 3 dogs and every other title dogs at Kennels that sell to police departments but when tested without equipment and done in a stressful manner the dogs fail or dont understand what is going on. Good luck. my email is h_hernandez109@comcast.net there is a underscore after the first h.
by Phil Behun on 16 March 2010 - 18:03
Here's a question for all of the Internet Einsteins,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,has anyone even asked what breed of dog the OP is speaking of? How can you be giving an educated opinion when you know nothing of the person's experience or the temperament of the animal? And to tell someone that words you have written on paper are going to solve his dog training problems is completely irresponsible, especially with as psychologically stressful a subject as bitework. If sport is your desire for your young dog, I would absolutely stay away from Mr. Hernandez' method. If you want a PPD that is gnarly and grips short and will bite absolutely anyone, (in the ankle) then contact him.
by Michigantrainer on 16 March 2010 - 18:03
Yes stay away from my method. And you wont know how your dog will respond under stress. Keep playing tug of war with Phil.
by Bob McKown on 16 March 2010 - 18:03
Phil:
Since Judron posted it and i,m pretty sure he has GSD,s I,d say better then not the odds are it,s a GSD...God knows I could be wrong I was once a year ago!. I also think that if you read (you can can,t you) several of us asked how the dog had been worked before or that with just the info given it was a best guess.
And I believe when Albert postulated the theory of relativity he would not use your parents being cousins as a example of what he ment?
Since Judron posted it and i,m pretty sure he has GSD,s I,d say better then not the odds are it,s a GSD...God knows I could be wrong I was once a year ago!. I also think that if you read (you can can,t you) several of us asked how the dog had been worked before or that with just the info given it was a best guess.
And I believe when Albert postulated the theory of relativity he would not use your parents being cousins as a example of what he ment?
by Phil Behun on 16 March 2010 - 18:03
Not cousins, brother and sister,,,,,,,,,,,,but my hats fit.
by Bob McKown on 16 March 2010 - 18:03
Good point...
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