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by MaxBear on 25 February 2010 - 19:02
Could some professional breeder please set me straight here. Is the BH I see next to GSD's that have been breed or are being breed considered a Title...as in like Sch 1, Sch 2 or Sch 3? Times have changed and i'm trying to catch up. Would you as a Breeder for the betterment of the Breed, breed GSD's with this BH only? Back in the 70's we did not have this BH, I am puzzled and out of touch again...I guess. Appreciate this being clearified! Thanks.
by snowbunny on 25 February 2010 - 19:02
As far as I've been told the BH is not a "title" persay, just the first step towards the SchH1 (which is a title) .
by Keith Grossman on 25 February 2010 - 19:02
Not a title.
by eichenluft on 25 February 2010 - 19:02
No. The BH is only a very basic test for temperament and obedience, required before the dog can go on to get the Schh1. It should not be used as a test of breedworthiness, except in that capacity (must have a BH before the Schh1 can be earned).
molly
molly
by tarekallam on 25 February 2010 - 19:02
BH - Traffic Steady Companion Dog Title - Must be at least 15 months old
The BH is a degree for traffic-safe companion dogs that tests the dogs temperament in and around people. It includes basic formal obedience - heeling on and off leash, sits, downs and recalls - as well as practical tests of the dog’s character in everyday situations. These include reaction to normal situations involving crowds of people, strange noises, joggers, cars and other dogs. Before being allowed to enter for a Schutzhund I title, the dog must first have successfully completed the BH.
By the way the above was copied by me from the web site of my friend Monamed Zaki, namely Haus Pharao, para Title-Translation.
The BH is a degree for traffic-safe companion dogs that tests the dogs temperament in and around people. It includes basic formal obedience - heeling on and off leash, sits, downs and recalls - as well as practical tests of the dog’s character in everyday situations. These include reaction to normal situations involving crowds of people, strange noises, joggers, cars and other dogs. Before being allowed to enter for a Schutzhund I title, the dog must first have successfully completed the BH.
By the way the above was copied by me from the web site of my friend Monamed Zaki, namely Haus Pharao, para Title-Translation.
by wlpool on 25 February 2010 - 19:02
I think AKC does legs to titles. SV does titles. I consider it and the AD to be titles, but, yes in SV you have to have Sch 1, 2 or 3 plus Koerung to breed. AD and BH are pass or fail one time shots. They are prerequisites to Sch 1 2 and 3.
My dog has AD and BH plus CGC and two legs of rally and CD. We are working now towards his Sch 1. I know that I registered his daughter through the AWDF and USA without issue. I was told she could be shown in Germany as well.
W
My dog has AD and BH plus CGC and two legs of rally and CD. We are working now towards his Sch 1. I know that I registered his daughter through the AWDF and USA without issue. I was told she could be shown in Germany as well.
W
by MaxBear on 25 February 2010 - 20:02
Thank you ALL for your feedback and clerification. So would I be correct to assume then that it would be unethical to breed GSD'd with no other breedworthiness test's and only having a BH? Even if the hips and elbows have been checked. Should and do not these Titles set the price range of Pup's from these Breeders should be? Why would someone breed dogs that are not titled or breedworthy tested? (Other then money of course). So what would an Ethical Breeder consider the "Minimum Standard/Titles" before breeding? Thanks!
by TessJ10 on 25 February 2010 - 20:02
BH is not a title.
It is a pre-requisite for being allowed to go for a title.
Typical that wlpool considers it a title. It is not.
eichenluft said it most correctly and succinctly.
by Mystere on 25 February 2010 - 20:02
You are correct, Maxbear. BH and AD are NOT titles and are not in any manner indicative of breedworthiness. The AD is an endurance test, which any well-structured gsd (or other large breed) should be able to do.
The bh is also a prerequisite to the schutzhund /VPG titles, as well as the Fh and other non-AKC tracking titles . It is a test of basic obedience and, hopefully, temperament.
Quote: "I think AKC does legs to titles. SV does titles. I consider it and the AD to be titles, but, yes in SV you have to have Sch 1, 2 or 3 plus Koerung to breed. AD and BH are pass or fail one time shots. They are prerequisites to Sch 1 2 and 3.
My dog has AD and BH plus CGC and two legs of rally and CD. We are working now towards his Sch 1. I know that I registered his daughter through the AWDF without issue. I was told she could be shown in Germany as well.
W"
btw-- AWDF does NOT REGISTER ANYTHING. That statement above is a flat lie.
The bh is also a prerequisite to the schutzhund /VPG titles, as well as the Fh and other non-AKC tracking titles . It is a test of basic obedience and, hopefully, temperament.
Quote: "I think AKC does legs to titles. SV does titles. I consider it and the AD to be titles, but, yes in SV you have to have Sch 1, 2 or 3 plus Koerung to breed. AD and BH are pass or fail one time shots. They are prerequisites to Sch 1 2 and 3.
My dog has AD and BH plus CGC and two legs of rally and CD. We are working now towards his Sch 1. I know that I registered his daughter through the AWDF without issue. I was told she could be shown in Germany as well.
W"
btw-- AWDF does NOT REGISTER ANYTHING. That statement above is a flat lie.
by mnm on 25 February 2010 - 20:02
As an added note,
Having titles listed as (SchH1) does not mean that the dog is titled. They may be using it to reference that they are working towards the title, but at this point the dog has not earned it. Always ask for proof of titles before you commit to anything. Same with any health certifications. If they are not willing to provide appropriate documentation, then go elsewhere and save yourself the headache. Goodluck.
Marsha Seck
Having titles listed as (SchH1) does not mean that the dog is titled. They may be using it to reference that they are working towards the title, but at this point the dog has not earned it. Always ask for proof of titles before you commit to anything. Same with any health certifications. If they are not willing to provide appropriate documentation, then go elsewhere and save yourself the headache. Goodluck.
Marsha Seck
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