Problems with CKC - Page 1

 I just tried to register an imported PUREBRED REGISTERED German Shepherd. He is IPOIII titled. I have all his papers from Europe in my name. He is a retired working Police dog (here in Canada, I was the handler) He won National Championships. But CKC say that since the city originally owned him that the city will need to register with CKC, and spend a bunch of money with them in order for me to register this dog. As if a city organization will go through a bunch of BS and spend money so I can get a dog registered!!! I have his european papers in my name, I personally imported him 5 years ago (on behalf of the city) As you can imagine I am very disappointed and pissed off. This is another example of the purest dog not being able to be registered due to political and monetary BS.

 Please let me know where else I can fight this battle, I am going to breed my dog and I think some people might thing the "registered" means something, although I think it is a piece of paper that doesn't mean anything. Kinda like the "Guarantee on a box" that Chris Farley spoke of in the movie "Tommy Boy" 

I told the CKC person on the phone what a joke their registration set up is. I could buy any dog with papers, use my unregistered dog to breed and register them "legally" and they would have no issues with this, RIDICULOUS. To make matters worst I am sure I could breed two random dogs bought from the shelter, and submit papers from registered dogs an they would have no trouble being registered dogs. What a joke.

 

Can you get the beschinigan (check spelling).  Maybe you could get it then register the dog in your name with AKC then transfer it to CKC. 

W

 What is the beschinigan? I have his registration papers from Europe already transfered into my name. That was through Raad Van Beheer, the register in The Netherlands. Is that what you mean?

I hate to jump 1000 hoops just to get a piece of paper, 

 sorry double post

sorry double post

I got my dog from Germany and when I did I paid the person that I got the dog from to set me up with the SV then transfer him to me.  So, he was in my name and I owned him when he was shipped in.  I still needed the beschegin (check spelling) which is simply a transfer of ownership that is recognized by AKC.  But since your dog is from the Netherlands, I will bet you don't need it if it is in your name.  You could try this:
Check with AKC to see if you need the dog to have any other paperwork to register it through them.  If not, you may just be able to get him registered through AKC and then there is no other person on the papers.  Once you have him AKC registered you can try to transfer that to CKC which I think is a recognized registry both ways.  It may work, but all you need to do is call AKC and ask what the requirements are to register a foriegn dog that is already in your name.  BE SURE TO MENTION HE IS FROM THE NETHERLANDS not German.
It really isn't a stack of papers, I think its only two and a fee.
I hope that helps.

W 

I had similar issue with CKC so maybe I can help since my situation did work out for me although I had the dog almost a year before I was able to get it straightend out.  Here's what happend in my case...

I bought a dog that was originally imported to the US and registered/DNA'd with the AKC. The original US importer sold the dog to a kennel in Canada who only had her a very short time before I purchased her from them. They never registered the dog with the CKC as I had already bought her, lived in the US and wasnt interested in CKC registration only AKC.  Now you would "assume" since this dog was already registered and DNA'd with AKC my situation would be rather simple to just transfer the dog into my name with the AKC right??  NOPE, WRONG!  Akc said because the dog was owned by someone in Canada even if it were for 5 minutes the dog still needs to be registered with CKC before AKC will accept the transfer.

I was very frustrated going between AKC, CKC and the previous kennel I bought the dog from especially because I had a litter to register with this bitch I bought. The solution was relatively simple and painless and would have ocurred rather quickly without causing any issues with registering pups if the previous owner would have expedited the paper work right away. But they sat on it and waited til the last second before CKC moved towards filing sanctions against them. My pups were almost 6 months old when I was finally able to get everything straightend out.

All that needs to be done in your case (as was required in mine) is to have the person who sold you the dog fill out a paper with CKC to register him in their name and on the same form transfer ownership to you. I think it costs less than $40. 

Now you said you have the pink papers on this dog in your name....if you live in Canada and you have the pink papers and you own the dog why can't YOU yourself register the dog with CKC without getting the city involved where you got the dog???  My second suggestion is can you just register the dog with AKC?  I'm not sure though if AKC will give you grief and tell you that before they can register the dog with them CKC needs to have it registered before they give their blessing??

I was told by both CKC and AKC that although they are not affiliated and have seperate "rules" they try to be respectful of each one's policy to ensure there's no fraud involved between importing exporting dogs.

I know you're frustrated but if you keep on it you will get resolution.

 "All that needs to be done in your case (as was required in mine) is to have the person who sold you the dog fill out a paper with CKC to register him in their name and on the same form transfer ownership to you. I think it costs less than $40. "

The problem with this is the CKC told me that since it is a company that owned him, they need to do a whole set up of list of directors, proof of signing authority etc, and no city will take on the hassle an expense of doing that!

"Now you said you have the pink papers on this dog in your name....if you live in Canada and you have the pink papers and you own the dog why can't YOU yourself register the dog with CKC without getting the city involved where you got the dog?"

Thats what I was thinking, his  papers are in my name in Europe , so why can't I just register him ???? seems simple to me!

"My second suggestion is can you just register the dog with AKC?  I'm not sure though if AKC will give you grief and tell you that before they can register the dog with them CKC needs to have it registered before they give their blessing??"

I would prefer to not do AKC then switch to CKC seems like a huge hassle but I may have to

I think the CKC is not arguing the fact that he is a purebred they are just concerned maybe that I am not the legal owner??

"I think the CKC is not arguing the fact that he is a purebred they are just concerned maybe that I am not the legal owner??"

That sounds more likely the reason.  As in my case there was no dispute the dog was a pure bred; hell there wasn't even a question of ownership because I sent them the sales agreement and proof I paid for the dog but they still would not make any exceptions even after I pleaded with them that I had a litter on the ground with pups already bought n paid for.

I'm wondering in your case how they'd even know the dog was owned by the city and not you since you have the pink papers???  Let me suggest you speak to a manager or higher up in their import department. Perhaps they may be able to be of more help because the solution in my opinnion is simple. If you can provide proof of ownership and payment of the dog I can't imagine they can not accept that and register the dog. 

Getting the dog registered with AKC wont be too much of a hassle....my first import got taken care of with AKC quickly and it was painless. I sent the DNA kit back at the same time and killed 2 birds with one stone and I had never gone through that procedure before. I found CKC was a bigger pain in the ass and AKC couldn't even understand what the big deal was since I had already had possession/ownership of the dog and it was no longer on Canadian soil.  So my bitch has CKC, AKC and pink papers.

I do wish you the best but don't give up. If you have a quality dog you're intending to breed it's worth jumping through the hoops. 

 Thanks agar

I'm wondering in your case how they'd even know the dog was owned by the city and not you since you have the pink papers??? 

Because I was honest and told them up front exactly what I had.... I guess honesty was a mistake on my part??

Let me suggest you speak to a manager or higher up in their import department. Perhaps they may be able to be of more help because the solution in my opinnion is simple. If you can provide proof of ownership and payment of the dog I can't imagine they can not accept that and register the dog. 

I have sent an email requesting assistance. I have proof of ownership, including titles fro Europe in my name, AND a receipt from the police service here from the purchase. I also do t understand why they will not register him

Getting the dog registered with AKC wont be too much of a hassle....
I will look at that but seems like an extra step I should not have to take 

I do wish you the best but don't give up. If you have a quality dog you're intending to breed it's worth jumping through the hoops.  

Thats exactly the point he is a GREAT dog that will benefit the breed. Great bloodlines, great grip and very high drives yet 
extremely social. I really want to continue his lines. And I will breed him, if the ckc will not register him, ! will still breed him! I know the pups that I do not keep will sell, I just want to do everything right.

Thanks for the support if anyone else has tips or ideas please let me know