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by beetree on 19 February 2010 - 22:02
I was wondering if there was some wisdom to impart to the inexperienced on how to perceive significances within a certain pedigree. Often when looking at pedigrees, the farther back I go, I can get so lost, I forget how I got there.
by Mystere on 19 February 2010 - 22:02
Ah, Beetree, you are talking about a long learning curve and a LOT of time!! I will send you a pm.
by GSDtravels on 19 February 2010 - 22:02
"Dazed and confused, lost in the ozone again..." , I'm the same way 
by Lief on 19 February 2010 - 22:02
you should always note the direct fatherline most if not all great dogs carry uninterruped fatherlines to great dogs of their time. beget beget beget
by Lakota of Laurel Creek on 19 February 2010 - 23:02
I been having the same problem.Found some can`t find more recent ones ...stumped.Does that mean they are NOT in the data base??Could use some help...thank you
by beetree on 20 February 2010 - 15:02
Mystere, thanks for your pm with detailed "directions", LOL I will take your reading advise for starters. You can't blame me for wanting to shorten the "wax-on, wax-off" period, I hope..
....these bones aren't getting any younger, Ha!
I also think if I take the "fatherline" advise, at least I'll have a starting point in the beginning to keep me from getting lost.
It would be nice to hear how some breeders made the connection from two pieces of paper with lists of names, to what becomes called their program. (Don't want your secrets, just a few bread crumbs to follow, thanks!)
....these bones aren't getting any younger, Ha!I also think if I take the "fatherline" advise, at least I'll have a starting point in the beginning to keep me from getting lost.
It would be nice to hear how some breeders made the connection from two pieces of paper with lists of names, to what becomes called their program. (Don't want your secrets, just a few bread crumbs to follow, thanks!)
by Two Moons on 20 February 2010 - 15:02
beetree,
I follow the mothers line first, after looking at any line breeding.
What your looking for varies with the individual and his preferences as to what is bred.
You need to know as much history of the ancestors and the kennels they come from as possible.
You need to know as much as possible about the dog who's pedigree your looking at to make comparisons to it's ancestors.
Certain lines and kennels have a reputation of producing consistent results.
There might be lines in the pedigree you wish to avoid, or replicate depending.
Have you ever looked at a racing form at the track?
It's called gambling.
If you get lost just keep hitting the back space key..........:)
In the end whats important to me is the dog I'm looking at in front of me, not the paperwork.
Like a box of chocolates, you never know what your going to get.
The pedigree only shows you some possibilities.
Moons.
I follow the mothers line first, after looking at any line breeding.
What your looking for varies with the individual and his preferences as to what is bred.
You need to know as much history of the ancestors and the kennels they come from as possible.
You need to know as much as possible about the dog who's pedigree your looking at to make comparisons to it's ancestors.
Certain lines and kennels have a reputation of producing consistent results.
There might be lines in the pedigree you wish to avoid, or replicate depending.
Have you ever looked at a racing form at the track?
It's called gambling.
If you get lost just keep hitting the back space key..........:)
In the end whats important to me is the dog I'm looking at in front of me, not the paperwork.
Like a box of chocolates, you never know what your going to get.
The pedigree only shows you some possibilities.
Moons.
by Mystere on 20 February 2010 - 16:02
Moons is soooo right! I always think of that Forrest Gump line, when I hear of a breeding or receive the pedigree of a prospective litter. It really is NOT pure science. Breeding is an "art," with liberal applications of various sciences (biology, genetics, psychology,chemistry, etc.).
¶As Moon said, some kennels have become known for producing certain types of gsds with respect to character traits. Some kennels have developed their lines to the point that the kennel name is almost like a "brand." For example, I know an international competitor who once told me she knew nothing about bloodlines; she just made sure to get Korbelbach/Korbeltal dogs, and she had what she wanted. :-)
by steve1 on 20 February 2010 - 21:02
In any Pedigree of any thing you look for performance, Whether that be performance of the ability of being able to produce Dogs to perform, or in Performance from the Dogs themselves
Certainly i would look for a producing female ,one which has passed on top class Dogs in a good ratio to what she has bred.
And i would want a Top Class Performing Male as the father of the Litter
This is how i came about the Father for Izzys mother who was such a female
Once i found several Top Performance Males i then looked at there bloodlines and then there bloodline in relation to the female the dog was being mated too.
I had four males in mind and i knew each of those males having seen them working on several occasions i knew there working ability, there physical attributes and there temperament up to a point
Of course i was able to do this but most cannot so if you study the bloodlines of say a Male you want as a Sire for your Pups do not look at just his pedigree, look at the females and then study some more if you are satisfied they they click and meet with your expectations then find out as much as you can about the working ability and Temperament of the Male then look at the Shape and Physical attributes of the Dog and the Female, are they compatible in that way for so much the better, if they are like chalk and cheese then think hard for everything else may well be right but if this part is not then think again,
you must have a blend of what is compatibility in those features, If after this you are happy then go for it
Steve1
Certainly i would look for a producing female ,one which has passed on top class Dogs in a good ratio to what she has bred.
And i would want a Top Class Performing Male as the father of the Litter
This is how i came about the Father for Izzys mother who was such a female
Once i found several Top Performance Males i then looked at there bloodlines and then there bloodline in relation to the female the dog was being mated too.
I had four males in mind and i knew each of those males having seen them working on several occasions i knew there working ability, there physical attributes and there temperament up to a point
Of course i was able to do this but most cannot so if you study the bloodlines of say a Male you want as a Sire for your Pups do not look at just his pedigree, look at the females and then study some more if you are satisfied they they click and meet with your expectations then find out as much as you can about the working ability and Temperament of the Male then look at the Shape and Physical attributes of the Dog and the Female, are they compatible in that way for so much the better, if they are like chalk and cheese then think hard for everything else may well be right but if this part is not then think again,
you must have a blend of what is compatibility in those features, If after this you are happy then go for it
Steve1
by GSDtravels on 20 February 2010 - 22:02
I realize that all dogs in the pedigree matter, to a degree, but how many generations back in the pedigree does any particular ancestor become inconsequential? Or does that depend on how strongly he/she produces certain characteristics? And even then, at what point do they get "lost"?
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