EPI Dogs and Bad Breath

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by Renofan2 on 03 February 2010 - 23:02

Hi guys. I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to improve a really rancid bad breath in an epi/sibo dog. She is a poop eater, hower I pick it all up (most of the time) before she can eat it. I have seen no improvement in her breath. She has a real foul odor. She is on Viokase 1.5 tablespoons 2x per day, plus b12 shots which help with her stools, however no improvement in her breath. Teeth are good and are brushed and she gets dental bones occassionally. Any ideas on what I can do? I mention it to my vet, but he really does not seem concerned about it. She is on Wellness Core reduced fat.

Also, one more question. I am taking Molly in for tests as soon as I can get an appt. She seems to be drinking alot of water - approx 3 times more than my other two shepherds put together and has been urinating in her pen, even though I have someone come in 2 x per day while I am at work. Is there any link between epi dogs and diabetes? She will be 4 this weekend and was spayed in October.

Thank you,

Cheryl

by OGBS on 03 February 2010 - 23:02

Hey Renofan2,
Are you letting the enzymes sit on the food 20-30 minutes before feeding it to her?
Try a little pineapple in her food. Maybe a spoonful. That should help her stop eating her poop.
The water thing could be any number of things. Is her stool more runny than normal?
There is always the possibilty of urinary tract infection (unrelated to the EPI).
Best of luck with your dog!!!

by VomMarischal on 03 February 2010 - 23:02

OGBS, that avatar is too dang cute.

by Sunsilver on 04 February 2010 - 01:02

Renofan, poop eating itself can cause killer bad breath, because the poop sticks to the teeth. Check her back molars. That could be the source of the problem!

Speaking from experience here...

by Renofan2 on 04 February 2010 - 02:02

Thanks Sunsilver. I thought I was catching her from eating all the poop, but she could be getting some when others let her out when I am not home. I will try brushing the back molars better and see if it improves. It really is bad - not normal doggie breath. I will try brushing each night and see if that helps. I am having the food sit for about 20 minutes until I can see that the food is breaking down before feeding. I give her pill form before tracking so that it can help her break down the tracking treats (natural balance rolls), Her poop is good, but if she goes more than 4 weeks without a b12 shot they get loose and more frequent again and her energy level is significantly reduced. You really can tell from watching her in protection when you are nearing week 4.

Cheryl

by Deal With It on 04 February 2010 - 15:02

I have a 7 yr old male that has had EPI since he was 9 mo old. In addition to brushing his teeth I use a therapeutic mouthwash made by Biotene. It works very well and my Raider doesn't have "stinky breath."

As for EPI and diabetes, remember, the pancreas regulates both the enzymes for digestion and blood sugar levels. If you are concerned about diabetes you might want to have the blood sugar levels checked by your vet. My male drinks a lot of water also but I believe it could be because of the enzyme powder mixed with the food. I made the mistake of not mixing the enzyme/can food combo until all the powder was dissolved and his gums turned really red and he had some welts on the inside of his mouth. All is ok now but I'm very careful to make sure the enzyme powder is dissolved completely.

Good luck with your girl!

by Chris Hruby on 04 February 2010 - 18:02

They enzymes cause a strange smell to their muzzle. The excessive water drinking seems to flare up more often when my dog has a bout of SIBO (bacterial overgrowth). That may be contributing to your dogs bad breath. Once that is addressed the excessive water drinking seems to subside. I strongly recommend you get your dog on a good probiotic and try to limit the stool eating. I know it's easier said than done though..

by Renofan2 on 04 February 2010 - 19:02

I will take her in and have the vet check her levels for diabetes and also see if she is having another bout of sibo. Maybe she just needs more tylan powder.

Thank you everyone. I also want to try the bioten mouth wash.

Cheryl

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