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by Isschade on 29 January 2010 - 14:01
AKC preaches RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERSHIP but then they go to bed with PETA and HSUS. This country needs an enema, as my darling husband used to say. LOL Yeah... I think the quite came from the Batman movie.
Anyway... JMHO
Becca
by Dodie on 29 January 2010 - 14:01
by Bob McKown on 29 January 2010 - 15:01
by djc on 29 January 2010 - 15:01
Second please do not take what I am going to say as any kind of approval of this kind of breeding.
Now, the original "Panda"'s WERE purebred dogs! PROVEN by an un-biased Veterinary University's testing of DNA and genetics. The sire was a European working line dog and if I remember correctly the dam was of European decent also, but show lines? Anyway, there is a genetic phenom that went on here and it is proven. I don't want to go into all the technical details, but it is legit.
The other side of that is they should never have been prolificated. Yes, it happened, but these dogs do not have any of the "look of Eagles" that the breed is suppose to have. They look like border collies or some other type of dog and no one in their right mind would look and them and call them a German Shepherd. They DO look like mutts but the fact is they are not and they should all be neutered and the original breeding should never happen again. That's what should have happened. Write it down in history and be done with it.
Debby
by Sunsilver on 29 January 2010 - 15:01
If the GSD were bred with the same sort of care that the breed founder, Tina Barber, took with her dogs, the GSD would be a much better, healthier dog!
Unfortunately, unscrupulous breeders have broken away from the ISSR, and are back-crossing the original Shilohs with long-haired GSDs, and still calling them Shiloh Shepherds. Needless to say, this is creating a lot of confusion about what a Shiloh is. They are NOT long-haired, oversized GSDs, and the last outcross to dogs outside of the ISSR genepool was made nearly 20 years ago.
by wrestleman on 29 January 2010 - 16:01
Maybe at one time the Panda was some type of pure bred,. if the DNA testing as mentioned here is correct.
by Bob McKown on 29 January 2010 - 16:01
by Sunsilver on 29 January 2010 - 16:01
[sigh...]
Do your homework, Wrestleman. Your ignorance is embarrassingly obvious!
Since the publicity over Frankie, there have been a number of other Pandas pop up in unrelated litters. Whatever gene mutation is responsible for causing them is more common than we thought. I'm sure it happened in the past, too, but the pups were culled, and the breeders kept mum, for fear people wouldn't want to breed to, or buy their dogs.
Should Frankie's owner have created a separate breed based on the colour only? No, I'm not in agreement with that, but I still find the whole subject of colour and mutations fascinating, and might have bred a few experimental litters myself, just to satisfy my curiousity, if I'd been Frankie's owner.
But a new breed...no.
As for the Shiloh, well, if you'd been breeding American line GSD's in the '70s and 80s, and witnessed the direction the breed was going, YOU might have wanted to do something about it, too! Some people left the breed. Some went over to the German lines. Tina Barber chose a different direction. I've watched her for about 5 years now, and she's doing everything an ethical breeder SHOULD do and more! Save your vitriol for the BYBs and puppy mills!
I now have a Shiloh pup from a friend's litter, and am enjoying her very much. She's very gunsure, spunky, and intelligent. The main difference between her and my GSDs is she's softer (have to use more gentle corrections) and less likely to dash headlong into a new situation without checking it out first. I don't see that as a bad thing. My female GSD could have used that sort of caution when she tangled with a skunk last summer... 
by Til on 29 January 2010 - 16:01
What gives you the right to decide which kind of breed is worth to be bred and which one not? Do Shilo´s or Panda Shepeerds have more genetic defects and diseases as the GSD. If this were fact, you would probably give you the right to say that they have to be neutered (in fact I doubt that anyone has the right to let a healthy animal be neutered).
All the energy you spend against other breeds would be used better in taking care of the GSD-breed. There´s a lot to do!
So let´s bring our own house in order first!
Shilo´s and Panda´s don´t please me, but a lot of other breeds aren´t my favourits as well. Does their breeding has to be forbidden? In fact all of the breeds are hybrids of several dogtypes. It just depends on men´s decision, when you call them a breed.
Concerning the "almighty Dollar" especially we GSD- lovers and- breeders don´t have to get on our high horses.
There isn´t nearly any other breed that is so much influenced by the greed for money as the GSD.
Let´s be careful calling other dogs mutts. Or would you like to have your GSD titled a mutt by people who are fond of other breeds?
Please excuse my English but it´s not my native language.
by Sunsilver on 29 January 2010 - 17:01
I think the problem is that some people think it's not really a dog unless it can bite on a sleeve. Anything else is not worth looking at or breeding.
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